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     Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 648 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.141  Rating: N/A |
Glad to hear Otis is doing so much better. The hoof chewing could just be a stress thing like some dogs do and as he gets better he may do it less. Baby goats tuck in under their dam's chin just like you describe, he just thinks of you as mama. Have any vet run a fecal exam to see if his parasite problem is finally under control. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Billie G Murphy New member Username: billiegail Post Number: 5 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 72.155.40.73 Rating: N/A |
I first posted about Otis on April 4th, and just overwhelmed with your kindesses and information. Otis is bouncing back. He actually began running a bit, eating well, grazing...he's still thin but seems to have perked up. I think he thinks he's a puppy dog tho, because when I pick him up, his tucks his little head under my chin and just curls up...I hold him some a night and he's just amazing.... He's still chewing at his little front hoof a good bit, but we'll figure that out. Just wanted to thank you, Maggie and Barbara for your life saving advice...For the record, I've been taking my dog to the vet because of an eye problem (my dogs live with my ex, and its nothing contagious) but when I mentioned Otis the goat and some of our problems, he confessed very few 'city' vets know much about goats...sharede with him all I'd learned these past few week...did tell him about this site in case he ever needed help!!! Ya'll are my hero's....thanks for saving my Otis.... Billie | ||
| kristal New member Username: kristal Post Number: 14 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 4.253.121.17 Rating: N/A |
I had a wether that had the same symptoms that your otis is experiencing. Our local vet said... he had coccidiosis..needless to say.. we did lose him.. Good luck with your otis. | ||
| Billie G Murphy New member Username: billiegail Post Number: 4 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 68.217.246.108 Rating: N/A |
The fortified b complex arrived today...used the doses my vet gave us. We will begin giving him your recommended dosage...he eats heartily and does drink, but still stumbles, falls and cant get up. The last couple of days he's begun to chew at his hoof, not constantly, but frequently enough for it to be noticeable. My companion has 5 adult nannies and knows about them, but little about baby billy goats. Otis has something dangling from his underbelly. About an inch long, black, does appear to bother him and does not affect urination. Is this part of the umbilical? What should I do about that? He's still quite frail, and tho eating like a little pig, is still skin and bones. Giving him his shots is difficult in trying to get the needle through enough skin without penetrating an organ or coming out . Many thanks for your help. | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 598 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 64.102.64.113 Rating: N/A |
Straight thiamin is a prescription drug. But you can get Fortified B Complex over the counter from any livestock supply company, such as Valley Vet or Jeffers. To treat polio you can easily use the Fortified B Complex you just give it according to the amount of thiamin in each cc rather than the recommendations on the bottle. Any excess B vitamin is excreted by the kidneys in the urine. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Barbara Howard Advanced Member Username: bhoward Post Number: 51 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 208.135.164.42 Rating: N/A |
I would get him on Lactated ringers 40cc in each shoulder sq until the little fluid lump stays for a couple of minutes do this every hour. I would give him 1cc of Ferrodex 100 sq once every other day for 2 injections. Will he nurse a bottle if so i would put him on one he needs all the strength he can get. I would also give him 1cc of Bo-Se sq just to be safe from white muscle desease. Let's go ahead and do penicillin 1cc/20 lbs sq twice a day and 500mg of thiamin sq twice a day. You may need to drench him with pedialyte every 2 hours to keep him going. Barbara Howard jamesa@mrtc.com 606-522-3388 KY | ||
| Billie G Murphy New member Username: billiegail Post Number: 3 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 70.152.169.156 Rating: N/A |
Was not able to purchase a bottle of the b complex fortified, but my vet gave m3 six syringes, 2 ccs each. Called everywhere in Augusta, and a couple of on line supplies but need a prescription. He grazes well, has drank some water, but still weak and wobbly. He is so thin that administering the injection the first time, the needle must have penetrated because the fluid came out (I didnt administer the injection). He's so pitiful... | ||
| Billie G Murphy New member Username: billiegail Post Number: 2 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 70.152.169.156 Rating: N/A |
I forgot to add, he licks my hands alot. Is his lacking salt? I have read many of the posts and wonder if he has polio. Mineral deficiencies? He does eat sweet feed and the hay we have is bagged hay from a feed store. If we need to administer B complex and thiamine, where do I get this? | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 595 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 64.102.64.113 Rating: N/A |
He could still have coccidia, did you treat with Albon for at least 5 days? Look at his lower inner eyelids, they should be bright salmon pink. If they are pale pink or white he is severely anemic from worms. Many dewormers are no longer effective and most must be given at 2, 3 and sometimes even 4 times the cattle, sheep or horse dose by weight. Safeguard and Panacur are two of these no longer effecitve dewormers. I recommend deworming with Ivomec Injectable for Cattle and Swine, but give this orally at 1 cc per 25 pounds. This dewormer is very safe even at 25 times this dose so be absolutely sure to give enough. Underdosing is almost worse than not giving anything at all as it leaves resistant worms to reinfect. You can give Geritol at 1/2 to a full adult dose to help rebuild the iron in his blood. You should give this for 2 to 3 weeks until his membranes are bright pink again. Being this anemic can also cause neurological problems, namely goat polio, a thiamin deficiency that can cause brain damage and death. This can explain the falling and not being able to get up and the wanting to pull his head to the side when laying down. To counteract this and to help heal his gut and encourage appetite give him Fortified B Complex at 1 cc per 20 pounds every 4 to 6 hours for the first couple of days then 2 times a day for 7 to 10 more days. Give this by SQ injection. Mnay feed stores carry the Fortified B COmplex (be sure it is the Fortified formula not the regular one) or get Fortified B Complex or thiamin injectable from your vet. Fortified B complex has at least 100 mg/ml of thiamin. Be careful how much grain you feed, especially sweetfeed. This is often the cause of bladder stones in male goats. Go to the articles page and read about Urinary Calculi (UC) and how to help prevent it. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Billie G Murphy New member Username: billiegail Post Number: 1 Registered: 04-2006 Posted From: 70.152.169.156 Rating: N/A |
We have had Otis for 4 weeks. He's about 3 months old now. After four days we noticed diarreah. Took him to the vet and he was prescribed Albon (sulfadimethoxine). He seemed to be ok, the diarreah cleared up, but the last 3 days he seems to have lost his ability to get up and falls easily. He can walk around without too much difficulty when I help him back to his feet. Took him out of his box 2 nights ago and his little head just rolls to the side, as if he doesnt have the strength to move it. Took him outside, helped him stand, he wobbles somewhat, grazes heartily but eventually drops and cant get back up by himself. We bought Otis from a beeder in Edgefield SC with the hopes of introduce him to an existing small herd (5) of nannies. Naturally they have chased him around and knocked him over a few times, so we keep him in at night due to the cooler evenings. Initially I wondered since he slept in a box could the fumes from his urine have affected him. He doesnt seem to be taking him much water, but eats grass, hay and sweet feed. In the past few weeks, when I've called him, he immediately calls back, but these days I look for him and he's just laying there. My companion says he just needs to run more and seems to be a bit passive about this condition. Any help is greatly appreciated. I'm worried sick. He's become very special to me and I perish the thought of something awful happening to him. |