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Maggie Leman
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Posted on Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 02:40 pm:   

It will probably shrink up as much as any scar tissue will allow. It is unlikely for any mastitis to spread directly from one side of the udder to the other. This hardness and lack of milk may not be mastitis at all, CAE can cause hard udders...It could be from an old injury. If the doe does get mastitis in the working side she will be in pain and will not let the kid nurse.

Sometimes pinkeye is caused by a particularly bad strain of chlamydia, sometimes it is not caused by chlamydia at all but another bacteria and can take quite a while to clear up. Chlamydia can be carried by humans, can be air or soil borne, it is a common bacteria. The other bacteria may have come in on the hay, in the grain, on the feed bag, on a new water bowl or feed bowl, the tires of your truck, someone with a cold paying a visit, it can be carried by insects, could have come in with another animal (see where I'm going with this?).

Even goat owners that maintain closed herds usually deal with pinkeye every now and then.
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Posted on Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 12:13 am:   

The left udder still the same. It does not have any discolorization. Cannot get anything out of the teat.The teat itself is soft and empty. The hardness is above it. The vet meds did not work. I am no longer treating it. I suppose she will never have milk on that side again. Will it eventually dry up and shrink? Is there much chance it will infect the other udder? Or could her milk from the good udder become unsafe for the baby to drink? She must have got mastitis long before delivery when the bag was starting to fill some for it to be this bad at delivery.

Her baby still has pink eye. The other kid that was born from another nanny took over 3 weeks to clear up, so I am thinking it will take some time for this one to run its course. The causing bacteria had to come thru the mother, since the baby was born with the infection.
I have been trying to figure out where this eye infecting bacteria came from. My last winter hay came from a different location. Wonder if it was in that hay and was passed to the goat when they ate it. I have not brought any new goat onto the ranch for several years.
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Maggie Leman
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Posted on Thursday, March 23, 2006 - 08:45 am:   

She probably ate the afterbirth, most does will do this if allowed to. I guess it is possible the nannies are giving the kids pinkeye in utero. But usually if the nannies have a chlamydia infection in the uterus they abort in late pregnancy or the kids are born very weak and sick.

A mineral deficiency or the nannies being out of condition or being bred back too soon may be the cause of more single births. Older nannies also tend to single more. If you are breeding for kids more than once a year, if the nannies are not in very good flesh or at least on a rising plane of nutriton (gaining weight) or if you are breeding out of season during a hot spell, you may get more singles as the buck's fertility may be low. If the buck has too amny does to service at one time you may have more singles.

As for the mastitis one of the most helpful things you have to do is to be able to milk out the infected side at least some. Try warm compresses and massaging the udder. Some does with hard udders don't have mastitis they have CAE which can also cause hard udders. If the udder is dark, hard and cold she may have gangrenous mastitis (see the www.saanendoah.com site for an article on gangrenous mastitis) and there is little you can do to save the infected half.
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Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 11:57 pm:   

One of my nannys had a single birth the other day. At time of delivery I noticed two problems. When stripping the wax out of the teats I noticed her left udder had hardness and I could not get a drop of anything out of it after repeatedly trying. The right udder working ok and baby using it.
The other problem is I noticed right away that the babys right eye squinting and hazy with pink eye. I went to the vet soon after the birth to get Nuflor antibiotic and Cefalak for udder infusion. I did not see the nanny expell the placenta either. I have her in a small pen all of this time. Upon returning from the vet I only noticed in her stall floor what appeared to be a tiny amniotic sac. The membrane was translucent and nothing of distinct formation on the inside. The nanny is not squating or any other related symptom towards retention. Upon returning from the vet, since I did not see afterbirth, I checked to make sure there was not another kid inside. I did not even feel any organized afterbirth, only felt like a bloody mess all around but maybe because the uterus was already in a state of contraction.

This nannys single kid is the second kid this year I got born with a pinkeye condition. I never had any problem with pinkeye in years past.Goatworld article says a Chlamydia species bacteria is generally the cause of pinkeye in goats.

I am now thinking that I could possibly have some type of a chlamydia outbreak in my nannys. And my nannys have been carriers and transmitted the bacteria to their unborn kids. Could this situation be possible?

Since last summer I had very dusty drought and stressful weather conditions which can be a major factor for causing chlamydia. But all my nannys had kidded out recently and I had no known abortions. Just to note also that the two nannys with a single kid and that was born with pinkeye, have been consistant producers of twins or triplets in years past.
I am treating the pinkeye with Neobacimyx.

Also do not know what to do about the mastitis condition. After two days now the whole left udder is very hard. When infusing the Cefalak, it is impossible to work it up into the udder. It is completely shut off. The Cefalak stays down in the teat and bottom of the udder. I do not think it will be very effective this way. I just given her the second shot of Nuflor. She has not been running any temperature and she is eating and acting well. Could the same bacteria that causes pinkeye, cause a mastitis condition and also prevent multiple births? Is there anything else that can be done to recover this udder?

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