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     susan mathes (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From: 64.12.116.9 Rating: N/A |
mother seems fine after delivering babies,but 10 days later she has bloody looking tailnd thick blood from her vagina .Kids are fine and she nurses and eat well. | ||
| Sandi Scott New member Username: sarasotasandi Post Number: 40 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 76.1.0.155 Rating: N/A |
Janet and Dave, I am also in Southeast Ohio, near Malta/McConnelsville. Feel free to look up my personal e-mail and phone number on my website and e-mail me or call anytime. You have to leave a message, as I work outside the home and keep strange hours. Sandi www.freewebs.com/westlandfarmsboergoats | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 472 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.141  Rating: N/A |
Glad to hear that her afterbirth passed and she is feeling better. All of my does feel lots better once it drops out. I used to agonize alot more over lost kids than I do now, especially kids I never got a chance to know. Goats and other livestock do seem to be neglected, abandoned and abused more than companion animals. Bless you guys for wanting to rescue. Be very careful in your rescue efforts, you have to protect your own goats from things your rescues ARE going to bring in. You as a former cattle owner know some of these diseases, Johne's (a chronic incurable wasting disease), CL (an incurable very contagious sheep and goat disease that causes abscesses throughout the body) and CAE (an incurable goat disease that causes crippling arthritis). Be sure to set up quarantine facilities where you can keep newcomers for at least a month to 6 weeks while you get any parasite or disease problem under control. While I may be a "major" breeder and showman of pygmy goats, mine all have names and know them. They are all beloved pets. It is very likely I delivered them and their dam and sire and even their granddam and grandsire and watched them take their first steps. As for goat vets check the list on www.cybergoat.com. Check with your county extension agent and call the closest veterinary college. It is true many places don't have a good small ruminant vet but usually ther is a vet willing to learn and help you with the drugs and procedures you can't do for yourself. And of course I'm here if I can help. Go to the Capri Medic contact page and get my phone number and put it on your fridge. Feel free to contact me by phone or private email if you like. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Janetjones (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From: 205.188.116.137 Rating: N/A |
Dear Maggie, My name is Dave,I am Jans husband,She is all tore up because we lost the "Kid" and please don't take this the wrong way...I was raised as a farmer. Things happen...As things happen...I Personally thank you and the other people who answered our plea .I was raised with cattle,and all the while it has been many years ago.I am not that familiar with Goats.And if you talk to some people,they will tell you that there are not that many VETS,that know much about goats...OURS, I love them all...Every one has theirnown name and they know it... I am trying to start a rescue service with our local Sherriff because of this. While I am not a millionaire,I feel someone has to take up for them...Afterall they cannot fend for themselves.And with all this in mind, I will do all I can...If someone needs advise I will give it ,But ,Only if it is something we have dealt with... Again,thank you and every one else involved... By the way,our mama is doing fine.The afterbirth dropped off and mama is doing fine!She is her old self,and I am sure she will be OK.We will do what you said as far as Medication to insure her health. sincerly,Dave | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 471 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.141 Rating: N/A |
You are in a very selenium (and other trace minerals too) deficient area. If this were my herd I would consider starting twice yearly BoSe injections at 1 cc per 40 pounds and giving each kid about 1/3 to 1/2 cc at birth. Give the adult does by Sq injection, you can give the kids theirs orally. Pygmies need more copper than dairy goats (more like meat goats), I look for 900 to 1500 ppm copper in my loose mineral supplement. Goats do not utilize mineral blocks very well. Please do not be testing the milk by milking some out, you really set your does up for mastitis that way. The milk will tell you virtually nothing about when they are due to kid. A better way to tell is by learning to read the tail ligaments. Go to this site and practice on both bred and not bred does: http://fiascofarm.com/goats/prenatalcare.html#ligaments. On my pygmies when they are a day or so away from kidding I can nearly touch my fingers together in the hollow where the ligaments are, and I can't feel the ligaments at all. Most of the time the udder will become much bigger (just when you thought it couldn't) and the teats will fill with milk and will become less distinctly separated fromthe udder itself. I also watch for the mucus plug passing, a creamy white discharge. I listen for the does to start baby talking (softly bleeting). I have been raising and showing NPGA registered pygmies for over 15 years and usually we have about 50 kids a year. My phone number is on the Capri Medic contact page, I am in NC. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Janetjones (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From: 205.188.116.137 Rating: N/A |
Maggie, we are in southeast Ohio, Marietta Ohio, Strange but true are goats usually are in at night. We also have two more close, they now have milk, clear to white. All of them came from a soooo called friend, that I have not been able to get ahold of all day, I have just became member of Goat World, you are very helpfull, I thought I would be giving advise now I need your help, and you are really better than my vet. Should I check her again????? we still have afterbirth, now she is just laying, but we are now close to 12 hours into this. thank you Maggie | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 470 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.141 Rating: N/A |
If she is cudding like normal she is probably fine. Mine don't eat much right after kidding either. Offer hay. Let her out with her herd mates if the weather is half way decent. Walking around will help the afterbirth pass. You can tie a balloon filled with water to the afterbirth to apply a bit of tension to help it come out. Retained afterbirth is usually a sign of mineral deficiency. Do you offer a loose mineral? It is usually a selenium deficiency and many in many parts of the country breeders have to give BoSe (Selenium and vitamin E) injections once or twice a year to provide their goats enough selenium. The afterbirth can hang for up to 48 hours but it should pass within an hour of birth. I have been in my (registered) pygmies up to the middle of my forearm when going after a kid that was deep in the uterus. But after all this time her cervix is going to be too far closed. Last thing, don't let this be a total loss, milk out the colostrum and save it by freezing it in ice cube trays or other small quantities. I freeze mine in 20 cc syringes which are the perfect newborn pygmy dose and attach to a weak kid feeding tube perfectly. Where are you? Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Janetjones (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From: 205.188.116.137 Rating: N/A |
Maggie, We already started her on penicillin, she is a pygmy goat, how far up in her should I go I went four fingers, she still has afterbirth hanging out of her, I did get ahold of my vet, and he said ohhh!!! the afterbirth could be in her or out of her 48 hours, doesn't sound good here, she is in the house and just laying around, does not eat much, I was told not to pull anything out, she is cudding, like normal, we have 18 and they are all pets, I do not to do at this point. | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 469 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.141 Rating: N/A |
If she is really pushing (like regular labor) she may very well have another kid. Dead kids are very hard to pass. You will have to go ALL the way inside her uterus to tell (on a standard sized goat this will be up to your forearm or so, maybe deeper if the kid is still up in one of the horns of the uterus). Some goats will push a little trying to deliver the afterbirth. The afterbirth should come out within about 1.5 hours of birth. My does usually pass it within 30 minutes or so of kidding. If whe were mine I would definitely suspect another dead kid is in there. Call your vet if you can't get into her uterus to check.... Since she is having trouble passing the afterbirth and you have been inside her to check start her on penicillin at 1 cc per 20 pounds twice a day for 5 days to prevention a uterine infection. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Janetjones (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From: 64.12.116.9 Rating: N/A |
one of our does had a baby about 5 hours, the baby did not make it, since then the mom has had the afterbirth hanging, and continues pushing. I have felt inside and do not feel anything else. Should we keep checking and waiting or should we be doing something else, could we possibly have another still inside. I wrote earlier, we have only had her for about a few months and were not aware until just recently that she was expecting. |