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     Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 513 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.141  Rating: N/A |
Worms aren't transmitted in utero but as the kids go around tasting things they pick up worm eggs. I start deworming at about 8 weeks old. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Barbara and Barry Neiderhiser New member Username: barbbarry Post Number: 32 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 207.144.116.87 Rating: N/A |
Maggie, One last question tonight! Promise! I just fed her girls which made me think of this question. Did she transmit worms to them? When should I worm them with Ivermectin? Thank you! Have a good night! | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 512 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.141 Rating: N/A |
One cc per 25 to 30 for Ivermectin Injectable for Cattle, I like to recommend higher so people will give enough. Once again, it is very safe, go over rather than taking a chance of underdosing. Basically it is about 3 times the horse or cattle dose of ivermectin. Learn to use a thermometer, a bit of vaseline will make her much more comfortable, insert it at least 1.5 to 2 inches. I use a digital from the drug store and it works great. Get a loose mineral for the goats. A block is too hard for them to be able to lick enough to do any good. Blocks are made for animals with big or rough tongues. Goat's tongues are small and smooth. You also have alot more choices in loose minerals than you do with blocks. Do not offer a plain salt block, the mineral should be the only source of salt for the herd (it has plenty, this is what attracts them to eat it). If you have a Southern States I really like the Mag-O-Min livestock mineral for beef cattle for my herd of pygmies (just think of them as small meat goats). It has been meeting my needs for several years and my goats love it. I have a very easy to build mineral feeder on my website at http://www.maggidans.com on the Good Idea! page. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Barbara and Barry Neiderhiser New member Username: barbbarry Post Number: 31 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 207.144.116.87 Rating: N/A |
Thanks Maggie. I know this is stupid but what does BTW stand for? Also I looked up the 911 on worming and saw that you recommended 1cc ivermectin per 25lbs, so I'll up her dosage to 6ccs orally. I'll check her temperature tomorrow too to be sure that infection is an issue for her. I do have a thermometer. Never used it before, hope she won't mind too much! Thanks. I'll look for the cattle block at tractor supply. I have used the all stock finding that it had a higher mineral content than the one for goats. | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 511 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.141 Rating: N/A |
The goat mineral sold by Tractor Supply does not have enough copper, but try looking at a beef cattle or dairy cattle mineral. That's what I use because I couldn't get a mineral with high enough copper for my goats here. No need to change antibiotics, as I said she may not need antibiotics at all. Check her temperature, if she is normal she doesn't have an infection. No infection, no antibiotics. I suspect she has a fluid build up because of her inactivity and anemia. Antibiotics (nor banamine) will help that. Getting the anemia under control, getting erh feeling better and her activity level back to normal should help. Excenel does not conflict with penicillin, BTW just for future reference. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Barbara and Barry Neiderhiser New member Username: barbbarry Post Number: 30 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 207.144.116.87 Rating: N/A |
Maggie, Thank you! I'll give her 5ccs of Ivermectin tomorrow (1cc/30lbs- right?). Con't with the penicillin 2 times a day and probios/electrolyte drench. Start Geritol, will give this with the penicillin. I gave the penicillin and bamamine, because I read that these 2 together work well for respiratory pneumonia. Is this right? I do have excenel. Should I change to it or con't with the penicillin for the next 5 days. I was told that some medications cancel each other- like penicillin and nuflor. I'll look into supplements with 900-1500ppm copper. I have suspected for some time that our goats were deficient in needed minerals, particularly copper. Our soil in the low country of SC is very poor. Tractor Supply is the main supplier in our area. I have given the golden blend but they don't seem to really like it. Any suggestions for a particular brand/ supplier. I buy quite a bit from Jeffers along with Tractor Supply. Thanks | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 510 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.141 Rating: N/A |
The Safeguard DOES NOT WORK in the SE US, don't even bother using it. Give the ivermectin tomorrow at 3 times the cattle or horse dose by weight for 2 days repeat in 2 weeks. Yes you can use Geritol, at the adult dose twice a day. You can use the pig iron at an appropriate dose by weight. Penicillin is given at 1 cc per 10 to 20 pounds so you are not really overdosing her. I don't think she is in pain and since banamine causes some digestive bleeding whenever it is used you should discontinue it. You can continue teh electrolytes and probios for as long as she is feeling poorly, they sure can't hurt. Please check all of your goats for anemia and treat with ivermectin as needed. Boers are especially susceptible to worms. In the environment where they were originally bred parasites were not an issue. They were bred for desert conditions where the "pasture" is rotated nearly daily, so they never got infected and never had to build any natural resistance. Here in the SE they are completely vulnerable as this is "parasite central". Making sure your goats also get adequate copper will go a long way towards parasite resistance. Look for a loose mineral mix with 900 to 1500 ppm copper. Do you have a thermometer? I don't give antibiotics unless the goat ACTUALLY has a fever (or after an assisted birth). Normal for a goat is 101.5 to 103.5. And she has been on antibiotics for about 5 days right? She may not need them anymore. A clear discharge is usually a virus or allergies, nothing an antibiotic is good for anyway. Goats don't pant with a fever usually anymore than you do. The increased exercise should help to clear her lungs. Penicillin is not my first choice when treating a respiratory problem, I prefer Naxcel, but this is a prescription. There is lots of resistance to penicillin now. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Barbara and Barry Neiderhiser New member Username: barbbarry Post Number: 29 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 207.144.116.87 Rating: N/A |
Maggie, I thought too that just maybe she might have worms as an issue. I did deworm her last night with safeguard (my ivermectin was not with me) at the horse poundage of 750 lbs (5 times) her wt. Should I redo this with Ivermectin and when should I administer the dosage. Our goats hate nutridrench. It seemed to upset their system, as if it were too harsh? They do like geritol! Could I give this to her instead? What dosage? I have pig iron. Is this anything that I could give her? How much? She is a boer doe, if type of goat is a factor in what to use. Should I continue to give her electrolytes with probios? She does drink. She prefers standing to lying down. Her activity today was really remarkable! She was in another pasture and had to jump a 2.5' fence to get into the pasture where the barns are (not what I would have wanted her to do with her current status). What about the gurgly lungs? The good thing is that when she had a nasal discharge it was clear. Do you think that she is in pain? Will the gurgle continue to reduce with just the penicillin treatment. Thank you for letting me know about the penicillin. I was afraid that I might be over dosing her. Should I continue at 8cc SQ twice a day or reduce it some? It's a little of an overdose. Maggie, Thank you so much for your time, your knowledge and your willingness to help. I wish that you could see the patients that you have helped me with. They are all doing so well! A quick note about Sylvia, who came home to me with a hard udder, anemia, coccidia, worms, hoof rot and pneumonia. She is running, playing and has a healthy little nanny (became pregnant while away). She has gained wt. and has a shiney coat. Such a picture of health that a friend of mine who had seen her at her worst did not recognize her! HURRAY. A happy ending and a happy goat. Thank you Maggie! | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 509 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.141 Rating: N/A |
I would deworm her if she is anemic. Give Ivomec injectable for Cattle, 1 cc per 25 pounds be sure to give enough. Give Goat Nutridrench for the anemia, nothing you have been giving has iron, which is what she needs to rebuild her blood. Keep giving the penicillin twice daily for another 5 days, 1 cc per 20 pounds twice a day. Reducing the dose or giving once a day is UNDERDOSING, which causes reisitant bacteria. I suspect her panting is due to anemia, anemia can cause oxygen deprivation and weakness because there aren't enough red blood cells to carry oxygen. An Anemic goat breathes more heavily and at a greater rate to try to make up for this. She may also be leaking fluid from her blood vessels into her lungs, this would tend to happen because she lays around so much. A goat that is laying down doesn't breathe deeply enough to move fluid out of their lungs, a goat that is anemic leaks fluid from the blood into the tissues, a double whammy in her case. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Barbara and Barry Neiderhiser New member Username: barbbarry Post Number: 28 Registered: 12-2005 Posted From: 207.144.116.87 Rating: N/A |
Rockelle kidded out last Thursday and gave birth to 3 kids. She was breathing heavily for the last 3 weeks and carrying the kids low. I initially thought that the breathing issue was due to the last part of her preganancy, until I found her when she was giving birth to the last of her 3 kids. She was panting heavily with her tongue out of her mouth. Her breathing was rattley and gurgly. The kids were all weak. She could not tend to them to dry them off or feed them. I milked her and brought the kids home. 2 survived and I have them as bottle babies. The one that died was doing well and then aspirated on milk with his 3rd feeding. I take the surviving kids to Mom during the day and they do spend time with her. She goes to them but does not attempt to get them to nurse. The kids are doing well with the little milk I get from Mom (about 12oz) and kid replacement. I need advice as to what my next step should be in treating Rockelle. She is no longer panting heavily. She is still a little "gurgly". She had a clear nasal discharge yesterday and no discharge now. She does eat feed but little. I sit with her twice a day to encourage her to eat. Today I found her way out in the field, a good 10 minute walk to get to the feed area! This is the first time she's done this since she's kidded. She had been hanging around the barns and not going out with the herd. She is improving daily. She weighs about 150 lbs. Treatment regime since she kidded at 4PM: 1st 4 days Bamamine 1.5 cc SQ and penicillin 10cc SQ day 1, then 8cc SQ twice a day for 4 days. She was extremely anemic, and so I began giving her B complex twice a day 10cc SQ for the last 3 days. I have given her some show bloom and milk pellets in her feed. I gave her electrolytes and probios tonight as a drench. Her eyelid color now has some pink in it. She is getting better but I am concerned about over dosing and then if I cut back not giving her what she needs. She is doing so much better and I really think that now she does have a chance to pull through this- IF I do the right thing! What is the next step? A friend of mine who is a dairy farmer, said that her panting may be due to fever. He suggested giving her something to reduce the fever and to give her raw egg for protein. Do I cut back on penicillin? And if so reduce to once a day or reduce the dosage twice a day? What about the vitamin B-12 complex? Is there anything that I can give her to reduce the congestion and rattles. This is why I kept the Bamamine an extra day. I know that it is only to be used for 3 days but she was improving and just seemed to need just one more day. Maggie and Barbara, you have been so helpful and kind to be there for all of us who love our goats and want to do the best for them. Thank you. |