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     Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 418 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.141  Rating: N/A |
Your soil minerals would have little bearing on what the goats are getting, it is the soil where the feed and hay is grown that counts when the goats are on dry lot. For teh most part all of CA is mineral deficient for most trace minerals, copper and selenium being high on that list. I would say you need a good loose mineral mix, I use one for beef cattle as they usually have more copper and selenium than many marketed for goats. The positive pellet dewormer is unreliable because you never can tell if the goat has eaten enough to do any good. Goats with heavy parasite loads do not like to eat much grain. Giving a grain ration (and essentailly the pellet is a grain ration with the dewormer in it) to a goat that isn't used to eating grain is not a good idea as it can cause a severe digestive upset. So use the Ivomec Injectable and give it orally at 1 cc per 25 pounds. It is very safe, be absolutely sure to give enough. You can use the RedCell too, give 1/4 to 1/2 the horse dose to the adult goats. But this is unlikely to have enough selenium. Your horse vet should be able to supply the BoSe (an injectable selenium and vitamin E supplement) or write you a prescription so that you can order it on line. The bugs you see are lice, they can suck alot fo blood making the kids very anemic. You can now assume ALL of your goats have lice and need to be treated. You can use anything that is safe for puppies and kittens, treat all of the goats once a week for 3 weeks, change out all of the bedding, sprinkle the barn with 5% Sevin dust. These lice do not infest humans, lice are species specific. Please separate the buck from the does, he will have the does continuously pregnant, will harrass any doe as she is getting ready to kid (they smell just like a doe in heat) and can have doeling pregnant as young as 3 or 4 months old. Does can come back into heat as soon as 5 days after kidding and almost surely will come back into heat within 45 days of kidding. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Carol Durham (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From: 207.200.112.187 Rating: N/A |
All of our vets here retiered about two years ago. I do have lots of dog and cat medicine becuase my daughter is a vet tech for small animals. We also have some horse meds but without a vet they are even had to come by. I own 22 horses and 5 does, 1 buck and 9 kids with no vet. I went out and bought red cell and two types of dewormers. Is the red cell worthless for this? I don't know which wormer to use. One is Manna Pro's Possitive pellet goat dewormer and injectable ivermectin.I bought procaine penicillin, and Baby Electrolight just incase I needed it. I have both of them in the house where they are warm. I found tons of bugs on them. There skin is back from them. They looked like fleas or crabs. They did not move much. We did have some pigs in the stall next to where the goats where kept this week. We put them there because we had snow last week.I gave them a flea bath that they loved. Right this minute the one that was not standing is standing and looking better. She had a shot of B complex a few hours ago. She did drink for a few minutes before I took off to town to shop for her meds. I am not sure but I think I might also live where Copper is a problem too. I don't understand the chart that is on the minerals where I live. Please read it and tell me if this is a problem. http://tin.er.usgs.gov/geochem/county.php?place=f06071&el=Se&rf=southwestern We feed local grown alfalfa. We have no pasture at all. This is desert. Thanks for all you help! | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 415 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.141 Rating: N/A |
I agree with Violet, they are likely selenium deficient. The dose for the adult is 1 cc per 40 pounds, the kids can get 1/2 to 1 cc. The dose for banamine is 0.1 cc per 10 pounds. Deworm the doe thoroughly. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Violet Knapp New member Username: violetknapp Post Number: 45 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 207.118.14.214 Rating: N/A |
Hi Carol, it sounds to me like they need selenium. I would try and get some Bo-Se from a vet and give them all a shot of 1/2 to 1cc under the skin. Probably the doe is also low. She would get 2cc I beleive. The temp is on the low side, Are they eating OK? I would also get some nutridrench and follow the label directions. http://www.angelfire.com/vt2/hilltopacres/ | ||
| Carol Durham (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From: 207.200.114.9 Rating: N/A |
I seem to have a problem that I don't know if it is related. I have had one goat die that was having a hard time standing last week. He was three days old. He had difficulty standing from birth. His legs where a little crooked. His twin is strong and healthy. I also lost one goat I wrote about below during a bad delivery. Mom is fine now. The goats that I am having a problem with now are two weeks old. They where the smallest kids I have ever had. The Mom I bought at auction about a month ago. She is a Nubian. The kids are boar crosses. It looks like this is her first kids. She had no milk at all when they where born. She was skinny. I did not think she was even due yet. I helped her out by supplementing bottles and keeping the kids warm at night the first few nights. The kids look like they where getting hurt all the time. I would find them crying in weird places. Now I know they where just having a hard time getting around, and they where falling. They looked as if they limping. They have not thrived at all. They barely have grown. They don't even have horn buds at two weeks old. I live in a area that does not have any local vets. It is the high desert of So CA if that helps. One is not able to stand right now. I brought her inside and gave her a heater. She is shaking. I had a hard time taking her temp. I even used KY jelly. She is so tiny and my thermometer is for horses. The best I could come up with was 101.2. The last two days I have been giving her orally 400 units of natural Vitamin E from GNC and a small amount of a multi vitamin that I dissolved in water and feed with a syringe. I also have given her .2 cc of banamine. I had no idea how much to give. At that point I thought she was dying anyways and I would make it a little less painful. She weights 6 pounds exactly. She looks like that made her feel better. She is more alert and is not crying now. She is still shaking even with the heater. The goat that died did the same thing. The other twin is still outside with Mom. He can still walk. They never have played like normal goats. They sleep and eat. That's about it. Any advice? |