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     Jeffery Allen Brumfield New member Username: jeffro518 Post Number: 15 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
maggie now I got some fortified vitamin B complex today and it says on the dosage that I have to get sheep 5ml per 100 pounds is this what I have to follow or is there another method for doing this to goats. I got some cow mineral also today the copper is 1700ppm min and the selinum is 35.2ppm this is the highest selinum that they had. the nanny that has the scours is the one that was just standing still the other day she has really not went downhill . How much pepto do I give to this doe and how regurally do I do this thanks maggie still have no luck on the bose . My babys are doing good running and kicking I have them splinted . | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 322 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Give Pepto Bismol for scours, Milk of Magnesia is a laxative and will sometimes make scours worse. Since the drench you are using is for sheep you would still triple (3x) the dose for goats making it about 3 cc per 7 pounds (its easier to think of it as 3 cc per 10 pounds and this should cover it). A 65 pound doe would get about 20-21 cc. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Jeffery Allen Brumfield New member Username: jeffro518 Post Number: 14 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
let me ask something the dosage says 3cc per 26lb but this is for sheep if my goat ways 65 lb what do I give them her eyelids are bright pink but will still worm her people have told me something about milk of magnesium for scours is this any thing good Thanks Maggie | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 321 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
The doe with scours probably has worms. I recommend using Ivomec Injectable for Cattle, give it orally at 3 times the cattle dose by weight or about 1 cc per 30 pounds. If you are using some other form of Ivermectin that is fine, just remember to give at least 3 times the cattle dose by weight and give it orally. It is very saf even at 25 times the dose. Likely all of your goats need deworming. Safeguard and Panacur are not effective in this area (or even most of the US). Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Jeffery Allen Brumfield New member Username: jeffro518 Post Number: 13 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
now maggie I splinted the babys to front feet it walks a lot better just by doing that I am going to call a vet in madison tomorrow to see if they can get me bose Talk to people and they said that they come for cattle and stuff hopefully I can get some of this going to feed store tomorrow to get cattle mix.. also one of my does has the scours pretty bad anything that I can do to help this one out right now. Thanks maggie | ||
| Jeffery Allen Brumfield New member Username: jeffro518 Post Number: 1 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
I had another baby which now makes 3 that when they are born they walk on the top of there hoofs I don't know why they are doing this. Does any body know they will eat and and everything regurally but they walk on there top part of the hoof(where the coat of hair is) } | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 309 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Selenium deficiency is the most likely cause. Giving BoSe (about 1/2 cc) to the affected kids now and 1 month from now will help. Splinting will help too while the muscles and tendons normalize and lengthen and the leg straightens. This problem comes about fairly slowly in a herd where the animals have used up their body's reserves of selenium. Selenium is a heavy metal, a trace mineral needed in small quantities and is stored in the liver. After a few years of kidding if the diet is deficient, all the reserves are used up. While most feeds and many mineral supplements do contain some selenium, if you live in a very deficient area these are just not enough. You have to supplement with injections once or twice a year. Other signs of selenium deficiency is a decrease in fertility (lots of single births or does that don't get pregnant on the first try), retained placentas (taking more than an hour to pass completely), and sometimes difficult or slow labor. Adults can get weak muscles, have poor muscling (meat goats), kids don't grow well or flesh out well. You probably need to start giving twice yearly supplemental (BoSe) injections to your herd. The usual dose is 1 cc per 40 pounds given SQ or IM. Most people do it about 1 month before the breeding season starts then again about 1 month before kidding. You can get BoSe from your vet. I have probably asked this but where to you live? Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Jeffery Allen Brumfield New member Username: jeffro518 Post Number: 3 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
I live in West virginia My nearest goat vet is to tell you the truth I don't know where. The nearest dog cat ect vet is probably an hour . The goat had 3 babies and 2 of them and the walking problem and I had a first time 2 year old pygmy had 1 and it was like that. Exactly where do you give the SQ shots at and if I can't get the BoSe is there any thing that will help out a little. What kind of splint do I use and how will this affect the kid. Thanks maggie alot | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 311 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
I give SQ shots in the loose skin over the lower ribs just behind the front elbow. Check with any large animal (horse) vets, check with your county extension agent for a goat vet. Go to http://www.cybergoat.com/goat_vet.htm for a list of goat vets. Any within 2 hours is doable. Pygmies especially seem to need selenium (and more copper) than dairy goats. Probably has to do with the greater proportion of muscle and bone. I cut a rectangle (round off the corners) of plastic from a milk jug for splint material, it is lightweight and bends well to curve partitially around the leg. First use vet wrap (you can get this at any feed store) around the leg to cushion and protect it. The form the splint around the leg be sure it goes just to the bottom of the hoof it is important that the foot reach the ground, to just above the fetlock joint or even over the knee joint if the whole leg seems affected. Then using a couple of pieces of electrical tape, or duct tape or bandage tape I tape the splint snugly in place, straightening the joint as much as possible without getting brutal. Sometimes I wrap another round of vet wrap on top of this. My kids tolerate it well and learn to get around even better than on those bent joints that begin to hurt after a short time of walking on them like that. I check the legs about avery 4 days and resplint for as long as necessary. Caprine Supply (do a Google search) sells a selenium and vitamin E gel over the counter. Follow the manufacturers recommendations. After giving supplemental selenium you should see improvement within a week. Since it is a mineral it takes some time for th body to absorb it and repair the damage. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Jeffery Allen Brumfield New member Username: jeffro518 Post Number: 5 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
well to look on the bright side I have a caprine book right in my house looking at the selenium vitamin e gel but it will probably take 2 weeks to get here but I think I will still try to get it here. now when i get this stuff how often do I give this stuff to my goats and do I give it to billies and wethers to. and how do I give it to them by the mouth or shot or mixed with water???????? Thanks again maggie BIG HELP!! | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 312 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Follow the directions on the label. It is an oral medication. Caprine Supply has a website and you can order online. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 313 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
It appears Caprine Supply also has a top dress for adding to the feed. That may be much easier. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Jeffery Allen Brumfield New member Username: jeffro518 Post Number: 6 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
well what exactly is a top dress to adding to the feed and also another ? if the goat does have low copper will this cause the babys to die if they don't have the hoof problem just wondering. Another? in my book Caprine they have a selenium E gel which says feed 5ml and can treat 16 goats per 1 tube that costs $12 and there is another one that says selenium with vitamin E This says TOP DRESS with 1/4oz daily now this comes in a 12lb pail do I give this to my goats every day or what this cost $15 now is selenium the same thing as copper or something like that Thanks maggie | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 315 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
You can use either one of the selenium products don't use both. The gel you have to squirt in their mouths, everyday. The top dress you sprinkle on their food, everyday. Directions for use are on the packages. I have a very cooperative vet and I use the injectable BoSe. Copper and selenium are 2 different minerals needed in very small amounts for good health. There are many such trace minerals needed for goats. Most of the time it is possible to find a trace mineral mix with enough copper for goats as it is not as highly regulated by the FDA as selenium is. Look for a loose mineral mix with 900 to 1500 ppm copper and 3000 ppm zinc. I use a beef cattle mineral with very good results. If a feed or mineral is listed for sheep and goats it won't have enough copper, and is only good for sheep. Finding a cooperative vet to supply you with BoSe or to write you a prescription so that you can order it from a mail order supply is by far the least expensive and easiest way to manage getting selenium to your goats. Try contacting Pipestone Vet (do a google search) I believe they have helped others who didn't have a vet nearby. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Jeffery Allen Brumfield New member Username: jeffro518 Post Number: 7 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
everday as in 365 days in the year and if I do the top dress should I feed all of my goat individal I have 8 pygmys 7 nannies and 1 billy what and how do I do this now in the mineral is that 1500ppm in the whole bag or in the pound or what. | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 316 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Yes everyday, for every goat the dose is on the tube. That is why getting the BoSe injectable is much easier. It is given only once or twice a year and sometimes to deficient kids at birth. PPM means parts per million, it is a ratio, out of every 1 million parts 1500 of them will be the ingrediant being described (like copper). Most minerals are offered free choice not added to feed or force fed. Mineral mixes have salt in them, that is what attracts the animal into eating it is the animals desire for salt. it is also what makes the animal STOP eating it when they have had enough salt to satisfy the need for that day. By adding in different amounts of trace minerals to the salt as determined by the needs of the animals that the trace mineral is formulated for they are assured of getting what the need nutritionally. The nees of meat type goats is very similar to the needs of beef cattle. That is why a beef cattle mineral can be a very good substitution for goats. It is fairly new knowledge that goats require a high amount of copper in their diets and feed comapnaies are slow to change. But it has been known for a long time that beef cattle do well with fairly high levels. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Jeffery Allen Brumfield New member Username: jeffro518 Post Number: 11 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
so I need to find the bose stuff to be safe now about the ppm thing what if it has just copper..........0.001% and thats it what does that mean. Thanks | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 319 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
.0001 would be the same as 1 ppm. Both percentage and ppm are ratios. Percentage is in parts per 100, ppm is in parts per 1 million. You are looking for a mineral supplement that has 0.09% to 0.15% copper as well as other minerals, such as calcium, phosphorus, zinc, cobalt, many have added vitamins A, D, and E, to help the goat be able to absorb and use the minerals. You need to have ALL of the minerals for the copper to be absorbed by the goats. It has to be in a formula they will want to eat. You can not use something like pure copper sulfate, it is not safe. Copper is needed but only in very small amounts. Minerals must be in a certain balance to be absorbed and used, that is why in most mixes there is more of some minerals and vitamins than others. A little copper (relatively speaking) is good too much is fatal. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Jeffery Allen Brumfield New member Username: jeffro518 Post Number: 12 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
so if i just find it, copper between 900ppm to 1500ppm and the selenium 50ppmto 58ppm should this be alright to buy assumeing it is all mixed right and everything knowing my luck it would be something to kill them. Thanks maggie | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 320 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
No it should be fine if it is formulated for beef cattle. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic |