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     Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 163 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.205.236 Rating: N/A |
Some people have had great success with an entirely different treatment. You can give the Hoegger Goat Serum, which boosts the immune system. Can't hurt, may help. I had very good success using a similar product with healing wounds and treating colds and such with my goats. It was called ID 1. You can probably google ID 1 and get something or order the Goat Serum from Hoegger. I seldom spend hundreds on a goat in my herd. I do the best I can within reason, try to be sure they are comfortable, be sure their nutritional needs are well met and try to help nature and time heal. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From: 143.212.16.68 Rating: N/A |
me again... I gave her the 2 cc of ivomec last night and will repeat tonight. I checked her with the pinch test and it seemd pretty good, similar to the healthy goat anyway. I weighed her and she has actually lost a couple pounds since the last recorded wieght in late October. I did call my farm vet and he is going to send me one more dose of the methyl prednisol. and will see if it has the same quick response. But I am just treating the sysptoms I guess and not really fixing anything. I asked about x-rays and it will run me several hundred dollars, which I may be willing to do (my husband says otherwise) if anyone thinks it will really tell me how to make her better. I am kind of leaning towards just lettng nature run its course, keeping an eye on her and seeing what happens next. So sad, she is such a nice girl!!  Thanks again Ellie | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 162 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.205.236 Rating: N/A |
You're right, you got me there. There is a children's liquid, but if the injectable did nothing I don't see where giving the oral med is going to do any better. It is hard to say if maybe an NSAID would work. Perhaps banamine? But this is hard on the digestive system, causing ulcers even when given by injection and can't be used long term. You might try dexamethazone another steroidal antinflammatory since you can't get the prednisolone. But steroids only treat the symptom, only last a short while, shouldn't be used long term, and don't treat the underlying cause. Any chance of getting a chest xray looking for a mass or evidence of pneumonia? Some pneumonias such as those caused by mycoplasma can be chronic and very severe, needing long term antibiotic treatment. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From: 143.212.16.68 Rating: N/A |
The injectable "benedryl" i got was diphenhydramine- sound familiar?? With the OTC stuff, doesn't that normally come in pill form? Should I wait a day or 2 before giving her this? I will do the pinch test and weigh her again, generally I have been surprised at how slowly they both have been growing...55-55lbs at 6-7 months. Ellie | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 161 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.205.236 Rating: N/A |
The current dose recommendation for Ivomec Injectable for Cattle when using it for goats is to give 1 cc per 25 to 30 pounds. You can overdose but you have to go WAY WAY over. So she was underdosed the last time she was dewormed. You can check her hydration level with a pinch test. Pinch up a tent of skin on her neck or shoulders. If it snaps back so fast you can't see it she is well hydrated. If not she needs more fluids. I have never seen injectable benedryl. Was it pseudoephedrine? That is what benadryl is. According to my source this drug is not available by injection for either veterinary or human use. Try giving the OTC drug give 1 cc per 10 pounds every 6 hours. It may take a day or two of doses to see if it works. Please weigh her before dosing with the dewormer. She may look like she is the same size but I bet she weighs more than 50 pounds. Most of my pygmies weigh well over 50 pounds...If you can't weigh her use this formula: Measure her heartgirth in inches (just behind the front legs). Measure her length from point of shoulder (this is the point right at her chest) to the base of the tail. Then calculate: heartgirth x heartgirth x length of body divided by 300. This formula works on most animals of any size... Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From: 143.212.16.68 Rating: N/A |
Ok- I gave her 1 cc subcut of the high potency bendryl last night at about 10, checked her this morning and seems about the same. If it was going to help, would I have seen a differnce by now? I assume it would be a pretty short acting drug. Our vet in town didn't have the anti-inflam (Methyl pred.) that the farm vet gave her before. The color of her eyelids seems nice and pink and her temp. is 102. I will go ahead and give her the Ivomec tonight as per your instructions, although they were both given one dose (1cc orally) of the same imovec about 2 months ago- they still weighed the same then- about 50 lbs. Can you OD on that? I am still not seeing her drink much- should I try drenching her to make sure she is getting enough fluids? I did see her eat some hay last night. But her stool was alittle softer than normal this morning- not the runs but formed more in a log instead of the nice hard balls. Thanks again- I really appreciate your advice!!! Ellie | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 160 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.205.236 Rating: N/A |
This goat is very sick. I suspect chronic pneumonia. It is not normal for goats to eat and drink less in cold weather. Be sure they have plenty of good hay. Digesting roughage is what keeps them warm, not grain. This goat may have a parasite problem on top of pneumonia. Check the color of the lower inner eyelid. It should be bright rosy pink (check your other goat too). If it is pale pink or white your goat(s) have a parasite problem. I recommend using Ivomec Injectable for Cattle but give it orally to goats. Give at least 1 cc per 25 pounds for 2 days and repeat in 2 weeks. Severe anemia can cause oxygen starvation, leading to rapid stressful breathing. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From: 143.212.16.68 Rating: N/A |
I was unable to get the benedryl on sunday becuase it was -40, no starting the car! My goat seems to be alittle worse today, same breathing but now also more lethargic and eating less. Plus on top of it the other goat is pushing her around and wont let her up onto the warm bedded area, so she just stands around kind of hanging her head. I am thinking about going to the vet to get another does of methyl prednisolone becuase it worked so fast last time. Then try the benedryl if it comes back. She weighs only 50 lbs, still Ok to give the adult dose? She has been breathing abnormally for months now, is this just going to get progressively worse and worse? Also, is it normal for goats to eat and drink less when it is really cold? Thanks again for your help- this is a wonderful service you are providing!! Ellie Mason | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 155 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.205.236 Rating: |
Rather than a biopsy I would start with an xray looking for signs of pneumonia or even a tumor or abscess. Then maybe a transtracheal wash and do a culture. It is possible she has a CL abscess in her lungs, or mycoplasma pneumonia, or even a bad allergy to the bedding or hay you are using. With the vast improvement with just an antiinflammatory drug I lean towards some allergic reaction. Try giving her Benedryl at the adult dose every 4 to 6 hours and see if you get the same or similar improvement. If you do I would say she is allegic to something.... Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From: 209.112.178.34 Rating: N/A |
I have a 6 month old mixed breed (togg/nubian) dairy goat that has been having prolonged respiratory problems. A vet came out and listened to her and thought she had scar tissue built up in her lungs becuase she was working so hard to breathe and sounded bad all through her system. He gave her a heavy dose of an anti-imfamatory just to see. The next day she was almost 100% better but after 4-5 days it started coming back after 2 weeks she is back where she started. Today she seems almost worse. She is breathing is very short, loud, forced, rapid breaths and is kind of shakey. Vet said only way to tell whats going on is to do a lung biospy. He doeasn't have much experience with goats- any ideas??? I live in Alaska and it has been very cold, -20 to-30 and they are in an unheated barn. My other goat is not having resp. problems but both have been drinking much less water (even when warmed) and are eating much less grain then normal. Sorry if this shows twice I just saw the new thread button... Thanks for your help!!! Ellie Mason |
