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     Janette Cross New member Username: janettecross Post Number: 1 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: N/A |
I was told by another breeder that if I was going to worm with Safeguard I should give 2 to 3 times the normal dosage for three days. Before I do this I wanted to make sure that it's not too much. I normally worm with Ivomec, but wanted to try something different. Can anyone tell me if this the correct dosage? | ||
| Violet Knapp New member Username: violetknapp Post Number: 13 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
I beleive the other breeder is right. You give goats 3 times the recommended dose for cattle or horses. I have found in my area that safeguard at any dose has become ineffective. I also read an article that was written by a vet, that you should stay with the wormer you are using for as long as it works, usually about 2 years, then switch. Has the ivomec became ineffective? I have switched to cydectin given orrally, and it seems to be very effective. The dosage for cydectin is 1cc per 15lbs given orrally. http://www.angelfire.com/vt2/hilltopacres/ | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 202 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
The current recommendations for using Safeguard (or Panacur) in the SE states is to give 4 times the horse or cattle dose by weight for 5 days and repeat in two weeks. It isn't effective at any dose in my herd anymore either. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Janette Cross New member Username: janettecross Post Number: 3 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: N/A |
I have the safeguard for goats and it only gives the dosage for goats. I've used the Ivomec for the last 4 to 5 years and it doesn't seem to be working anymore. I have two bottles of the Safeguard but if there is something more effective I would rather do it right the first time than have to do it over again. | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 206 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Unfortunately the "New" Safeguard for goats is the old Safeguard for cattle at the same dose as for cattle (which is the same dose as for horses). It is FDA approved in that it is safe to give to goats and won't leave a residue in the meat or milk after the proper withdrawal time. But it is not necessarily effective at that dose. It is basically a marketing ploy by the manufacturer to sell more product, sure its safe for goats but its probably safe for the parasites too! Optimally it is only about 92 percent effective (that really means it is about 50 to 75 percent effective....) it is a pelleted feed meaning that the goats HAVE to eat enough to get the full dose. The goats with the highest worm loads usually don't have a very good appetite and we all know how picky goats can be about "something" in their food. So the goats that need it most don't get it.... If the Ivomec is no longer effective try Valbazen at 1 cc per 10 pounds (not for pregnant goats), or cydectin pour on given orally at 1 cc per 15 pounds (should be safe in pregnant goats if not overdosed). I have found these 2 to be quite effective. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Janette Cross New member Username: janettecross Post Number: 5 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: N/A |
Thanks for the info. The safeguard that I have is a liquid, the dose is 0.6ml per 25 lbs. I will put Valbazen and cydectin on my list of things to get. Is Valbazen given orally? | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 211 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Look at the bottle of Safeguard it should be a 10 percent solution, 100 mg/ml. The recommended dose for cattle is 5 to 10 mg/kg (the higher dose gets tapeworms as well as the other worms). So for goats the dose would be 20 to 40 mg/kg. A kilogram is 2.2 pounds. So the dose would be 9 to 18 mg/lb. So 1 cc will treat about 5.5 to 11 pounds. Might as well get those tapeworms too so use the higher dosage. The reason this drug is called Safeguard is that it is very safe to give, even in HUGE doses even 100 times the recommended dose... Just get either the valbazen or the cydectin. Rotating dewormers is no longer recommnended. You use one until it is no longer effective or for at least one year and then switch. No need to have one reach its expritation date without even using any! Remember valbazen IS NOT USED IN PREGNANT DOES! Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic |