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Don (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Thursday, December 29, 2005 - 09:30 am:   

You might be underdosing the Ivomec a bit according to past recommendations in this forum. I belive it is 1cc/25 lbs. rate orally. I have to give my goats Ivomec dosage 2 days in a row to do much good because of resistance buildup.

Also be aware that broadleaf hay like sorghum, sorghum sudan hybrids,can contain prussic acid poisoning in some cases such as if it grown under severe drought stressed conditions or had a frost on it before it was baled. This can be deadly to livestock. Hay also should not contain any mold or fungus.

Giving a goat too much corn at a time can create a toxic lethal condition. If severe enough, the goat will go off feed, lay around bloated in severe pain then die. If a goat scours the next day after giving it corn, then you know you gave it too much in the ration. Same goes for the higher protein commercial feeds. That is why I do not use feed higher than 14% protein.
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Maggie Leman
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Posted on Thursday, December 29, 2005 - 08:17 am:   

Yes repeat the deworming in 2 weeks. Check the lower inner eyelids for an improvement in color. Use your best judgement on how much grain to feed. Forage is usually petty poor in winter, hay can get pretty bad by the end of the season too. You can dramatically cut down on the grain feed but still feed some to keep their rumen microbes used to getting it. I find it easier to gradually increase or decrease the amount I feed but never take the does all the way off grain....Their schedule never varies, their diet really never changes, I just adjust the amount of grain. I don't feed plain corn or any other additives (sunflower seeds, calf manna, that stuff), I feed only a balanced feed formulated for dairy goats, all the hay they want, and free choice loose minerals. There are many feeds formulated for meat goats too.
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Jacob (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Thursday, December 29, 2005 - 05:40 am:   

Hi, I ivermec them last night, would you suggest doing it again in a couple of weeks or not? I am taking them off the grain diet also.
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Maggie Leman
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Posted on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 - 12:34 pm:   

Corn is fine for fattening goats for the market but it has very little nutritive value except calories (think of it as goat candy). It makes for FAT goats, but may not make for much muscle. Fat does are prone to pregnancy toxemia. It is especially bad for bucks as it is very nearly the opposite calcium to phosphorus ratio that is needed for urinary tract health in male goats and it can't be easily balanced out with hay or forage which is higher (but not high enough) in calcium.

I suggest a balanced grain formulated especially for goats (not sheep and goats, not enough copper in one safe for sheep). Most feed rations have recommendations for goats in all stages and that is a good place to start. Even a dairy or beef cattle ration may be a good place to look. Be sure the calcium to phosphorus ratio is 2:1 and you don't really need a whole lot of protein 15 percent or a whole lot of fat. Grain should be thought of as a SUPPLEMENT, not a primary feed. The bulk of a goats diet at all stages of life should be a quality forage and hay. Do not increase the grain ration in early gestation or when the doe is dry. This just makes the doe fat. A doe in reasonably good flesh is fine until the last 4 to 6 weeks of gestation with no change in her grain ration and if she is even slightly over weight she should be fine with no extra grain until she is nursing. At that time you may wish to slowly increase her ration until she is at the feed manufactures recommendations. I pretty much do not increase my does ration until AFTER the kids are on the ground. A fit doe births SO MUCH easier than one even slightly fat. The real drain on her comes when she is lactating, or very late in gestation if she is carrying ALOT of babies. I hardly ever feed more than what they can completely clean up in 5 minutes or less. A few that are feeding big twins or triplets (or more!) may get a bit more. Many of my does kid 3 times in 2 years, they are hard working girls.

Most goats do very well on a diet of good quality hay (perhaps a mix of alfalfa and grass hay), a good loose mineral and clean water.
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Jacob (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 - 11:24 am:   

Thank you, I will worm them again. What would you suggest as a good ration to feed Gestating Does? I live in iowa and corn is very cheap to use, I am new at this.
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Maggie Leman
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Posted on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 03:29 pm:   

I would say its worms even if you have dewormed. If you have been using ivermectin for more than 2 years the parasites are likely resistant. If the ivermectin is out of date, or you left it in the barn where it got too warm or too cold it likely isn't any good any more. Be sure you give enough, most meat goats go well over 100 pounds. You can very safely give twice that dose. Do check the lower inner eyelids, you shouldn't even have to look closely to see they are very bright deep rosy pink. If they are pale pink or white you have a parasite problem. Have any vet run a fecal check for you.

Most mineral blocks (and loose mineral mixes) say not to offer any other source of salt, most are at least half salt and that is what makes the goats lick (or eat) them. Check your directions. If the block is for sheep and goats it isn't any good for goats, especially meat goats, not nearly enough copper. A loose mineral mix with at least 1000 ppm copper and 3000 ppm zinc works well for me. I use a beef cattle mineral as none of the goat minerals offered around here have enough copper.

Be careful with the amount of protein you are feeding, it will tend to make kids that are too big to easily deliver.
Maggie Leman
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Jacob (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 01:18 pm:   

Hi, I did not notice anything unusual about them. If anything they are over weight. I gave them a ctd shot last july. I wormed them this fall Nov. with ivomec cattle wormer via the mouth about 3cc/ 100 weight, before I brought in the billy to get them breed.
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Barbara Howard
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Posted on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 12:43 pm:   

Hi,
Are they current on CDT and when were they last worm with what and how much.
Have you got a temp on them.
When they stop eating do you ever see them cudding.
Any staggering or circling do the eyes look like they are moving back and fouth.
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Barbara Howard
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Posted on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 12:40 pm:   

Hi,
Are they current on CDT and when were they last worm with what and how much.
Have you got a temp on them.
When they stop eating do you ever see them cudding.
Any staggering or circling do the eyes look like they are moving back and fouth.
Barbara Howard
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KY
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Candy May (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 11:51 am:   

Do you notice anything else, like swelling in the face, under the chin or feet. Is there stool normal? Check the color of the eyelid, it should be bright pink, not pale. Is body condition good or underweight?
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Posted on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 10:43 am:   

They are on a ration of corn and oats and protien. I wormed them late fall with ivomec 3cc per 100 weight. They have a mineral block and salt block and free choice grass hay. They seem to be eating like normal. Then in just a short time (2 days) they just stop eating and just lay around for 24 hours I get them up and make them move around. But end resalt is not good.
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Posted on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 10:17 am:   

Hi Jacob,
I'm not nearly as experienced as Maggie and some of the other moderators, but what do you feed your goats, and do you worm your goats and what with, & what dosage? Do they have access to minerals and hay?
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Jacob (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 - 09:36 am:   

I have a small herd (10) and now I seem to have something going threw the herd. First they stop eating and then just lay around and then they die. I have had two do this in about 6 weeks. Any help would be great.

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