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     Barbara Howard Advanced Member Username: bhoward Post Number: 7 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 206.157.148.126 Rating: N/A |
How wonderful I am so glad she is feeling better today. Bo-Se is Selenium it is for white muscle disease. Barbara Howard jamesa@mrtc.com 606-522-3388 KY | ||
| Sassy New member Username: sassy Post Number: 12 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 69.27.214.141 Rating: N/A |
Here's an update. This morning when I went down to check on her she was up and standing on her own!! For several mornings I was picking her up to get her on her feet until she could stand on her own. I gave her another shot of B complex. She's very alert and her appetite is excellent. She's still staggering but hoping for improvement on that today. Sassy | ||
| Violet Knapp New member Username: violetknapp Post Number: 7 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 66.112.79.104 Rating: N/A |
I think that if it were listerosois, she would have been down by now. My experence is that they go down in less than a week. It is possible, and a good idea to treat her with 10cc pen. 2x's a day, but the thiamin is very important. The Fortified has 100mg per cc of thiamin, Bo-Se is a vit.e and selenium shot. I would keep giving the Vit. B. I treated a wether for polio, and he too was staggering and stumbling, but was not walking in circles, nor was his eyes darting, but the Vit. B worked. http://www.angelfire.com/vt2/hilltopacres/ | ||
| Sassy New member Username: sassy Post Number: 11 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 69.27.214.141 Rating: N/A |
I have the Procaine Penicillin and I'm getting ready to go down and give her a shot. What about the B Complex? What is Bo-Se? I don't have it until I get to town in the morning. | ||
| Barbara Howard Advanced Member Username: bhoward Post Number: 4 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 208.135.164.71 Rating: N/A |
Hi, That really sounds like Listeriosis so be sure you get her on Procaine Penicillin as soon as possible. I would also go ahead and give her Bo-Se injection 1cc/40 lbs. SQ jus Barbara Howard jamesa@mrtc.com 606-522-3388 KY | ||
| Sassy New member Username: sassy Post Number: 10 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 69.27.214.141 Rating: N/A |
She is not walking around in circles and her eyes are not darting back and forth. She is stumbling all over trying to walk. Like she is drunk. | ||
| Barbara Howard Advanced Member Username: bhoward Post Number: 3 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 208.135.164.48 Rating: N/A |
Hi, I'm Barbara You describe this goat as twisting her hind end around could you tell me more about that? Polio most often causes them to walk in circles and thier eyes will have rapid movement back and forth. Listeriosis however will cause them to stagger when they walk like they are walking one way when they follow you. You need to give 500mg of thiamin in her as soon as possible and do this every 6 hours for 36-48 hours then twice a day for 5 days. I would also give her 1cc/20 lbs. of procaine penicillin SQ on the same schedule as the thiamin. Is this goat pregnant if not you can give her Dexamethasone that will help also but if she is pregnant don't use that. Barbara Howard jamesa@mrtc.com 606-522-3388 KY | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 132 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.205.236 Rating: N/A |
The usual cause of goat polio is a sudden change in feed, or poor feed quality (such as moldy feed or hay) or giving antibiotics orally or some other medications such as Corid. Something has caused the rumen and intestinal microbes that produce thiamin to die off. Have you recently changed brands of feed? Opened a new bag? Fed moldy feed thinking they would be okay? Opened a new bale of hay that was dusty or moldy? Switched to a feed that contains antibiotics or given antibiotics orally? Treated for coccidia with Corid or some other brand of amprolium? It is usually the most aggressive feeder or the less picky goat that gets polio as they are willing to eat poorer quality grain and hay. Be sure you are giving a big enough dose of the B Complex. You have to dose according to the amount of thiamin (B1) in each cc not by the package directions. She needs 5 mg/pound of body weight. If you are using the regular B Complex this comes out to about 1 cc per 2 to 3 pounds of body weight. If you have the Fortified B Complex this works out to about 1 cc per 20 pounds. Even if she suddenly feels and looks better you still need to keep up treatment. Every 4 to 6 hours for the first 24 hours then 2 to 3 times a day for 7 to 10 more days. Try to find the source of th problem and fix it. Limit grain for now it is the usual culprit. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Sassy New member Username: sassy Post Number: 9 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 69.27.214.141 Rating: N/A |
She has had her first shot and I've been back down there to check on her several times since. What has caused this? She's always been small but is fat and healthy looking. She's very alert and still eating. Is there something she is missing in her diet? All of the other goats are fine. I've got her penned by herself since she's so unsteady. | ||
| Sassy New member Username: sassy Post Number: 8 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 69.27.214.141 Rating: N/A |
I'm sorry I didn't get back here. I didn't have B complex and I'm here without a vehicle and hubby is off deerhunting and won't be home until tonight. A friend has some and is on her way. She is stumbling all over but still walking and trying to follow me. I left her gate open and she came out and tried to follow me while I was feeding and watering everyone. She's still eating and drinking just fine. My friend just pulled in the driveway. I'll be back with another report later. Thank you so much!! | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 131 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.205.236 Rating: N/A |
Violet is right I think this goat has polio too. Thiamin is the only effective therapy and you must start it soon after symptoms appear. Polio causes the brain and nerve tissue to die. Let us know how you get along. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Violet Knapp New member Username: violetknapp Post Number: 6 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 66.112.9.80 Rating: N/A |
Hi Sassy, the first thing I would suspect is polio or thiamin deficiency. I would start her on fortified vit. B complex. Give 1 cc per 20 pounds by SQ injection every 6 hours for the first 24 hours. Then twice a day for the next 7 days. She will only use what she needs, and the rest will pass with her urine, so don't worry about overdosing. Start there and then maybe Maggie will have some other ideas. Keep us posted. http://www.angelfire.com/vt2/hilltopacres/ | ||
| Sassy New member Username: sassy Post Number: 7 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 69.27.214.141 Rating: N/A |
I have a young Boar doe that we thought had gotten head butted from one of the others a week ago. I thought she had gotten injured in her hip the way she twists her hind end around. I've had her penned by herself and watching her closely. I let her out in the backyard this afternoon and when I went down to feed she followed me to the small goat house and her front legs are like jello. She's still eating grain, grass and hay and she acts fine except she's not walking very well. I'm going back down to take the thermometer and take her temperture. She is stumbling around and my husband is getting ready to leave for the week end and he thinks I'm going to lose her. Maggie I need help!! |