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     RANDALL TILLMAN New member Username: rtillman Post Number: 16 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 206.197.1.3 Rating: N/A |
NOT LOOKING GOOD. I GAVE HER THIAMINE THRU INJECTION, AND ORALLY, ALSO GAVE BANAMINE, ELECTROLYTES, AND 30CC DEXTROSE ORALLY. SHE WAS LYING ON HER SIDE THIS MORNING AND SEEMED TO BE IN A LOT OF PAIN. EYES LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE A WHITE FILM ON THEM,AND FROTH ON HER MOUTH. IF SHE DOES'NT MAKE IT I PLAN ON TAKING HER BODY TO HAVE AN AUTOPSY DONE TO FIND OUT FOR SURE WHAT IT WAS. BUT SHE MAY BE STANDING UP WHEN I GET HOME SHE HAS BEEN A PRETTY TOUGH GIRL.EITHER WAY IT GOES I THANK EVERYONE FOR THERE HELP,AND LOOK FORWARD TO THE DAY I MAY BE ABLE TO HELP SOMEONE ELSE AS GOOD AS YOU ALL HELPED ME. THANKS FOR EVERYTHING! | ||
| Elaine Elder New member Username: elaine Post Number: 76 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 72.152.150.141  Rating: N/A |
Randall - How is it going? Elaine Elder ee@andprinting.com | ||
| Elaine Elder New member Username: elaine Post Number: 73 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 72.152.150.141 Rating: N/A |
Polioencephalomalacia is thiamine (Vitamin B 1) deficiency. Any change in the rumen's environment that suppresses normal flora activity can lead to decreased thiamine production. Too much grain decreases the pH of the rumen, predisposing the animal to Goat Polio. Thiamine must be present in order for glucose to be metabolized. If thiamine is either not present or exists in an altered form (thiaminase), then brain cells die and severe neurological symptoms appear. Causes of thiamine deficiency include feeding moldy hay or grain, overdosing with amprollium (CoRid) when treating for coccodiosis, feeding molasses-based grains (horse & mule feeds), ingesting some species of ferns, sudden changes in diet, the dietary stress of weaning, and reactions to de-wormers Thiabendazole and Levamisole. Each of these can interfere with Vitamin B1 production. Even the usage of antibiotics destroys flora in the rumen and can lead to thiamine deficiency. ****This is why it is so important to repopulate the gut with live bacteria **** Goat Polio is generally seen most often in weanlings and young adults , in contrast to Listeriosis, which most frequently affects adult goats. An increase in Goat Polio occurs in North America during winter, when the availability of forage and quality hay is low and producers start feeding increased amounts of grain. Symptoms of Polioencephalomalacia are excitability, "stargazing," uncoordinated staggering and/or weaving (ataxia), circling, diarrhea, muscle tremors, and apparent blindness. Initial symptoms can look like Entertoxemia (overeating disease). There is a component of "overeating" involved in that the rumen flora has been compromised. As the disease progresses, convulsions and high fever occur, and if untreated, the goat generally dies within 24-72 hours. Diagnosis is available via laboratory tests, but the producer does not have the luxury of the time that such tests take. Thiamine is the only effective therapy, and treatment can result in improvement in as little as two hours. The key to overcoming Goat Polio is early diagnosis and treatment. Complete recovery is possible under such circumstances. Summary: To try to avoid this disease, decrease grain, increase roughage, avoid moldy hay and grain, and don't feed molasses-based (textured) feeds.It must be said, however, that complete avoidance of Goat Polio is impossible at this time. After doing everything "right," producers will still have a goat come down with it occasionally. You have several people on here in agreement about what your goat has. And that is the run down on the disease and how goats get it. Now for treatment: 1. Get the Thiamine level back up with Vitamin B shots. Shots get it into system quicker than orally, but B does not build up to toxic levels so give some orally too, it won't hurt. The goat will get rid of any the body doesn't need in the urine. 2. Get the rumen working properly again with active bacteria. In a pinch use Activia Yogurt. If the digestive system can't recover you are in a loop. 3. Keep her liquids up. I like Pedia Lite. Put it down her throat by force if neccesary. Dehydration makes all the symptoms worse because the body can't fight without enough fluids in the system to flush out toxins. I don't know about the Antibiotics with Goat Polio. You will have to defer to someone else on that. But if this is Polio, and you get enough Vitamin B in her in the first 24 hours, you will probably see some results. But the improvement won't stick unless you get the rumen back in balance. Good Luck, Elaine ee@andprinting.com | ||
| RANDALL TILLMAN New member Username: rtillman Post Number: 14 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 206.197.1.3 Rating: N/A |
I AM GIVING HER STRAIGHT THIAMINE, AND B COMPLEX,5CC OF B COMPLEX,AND 2CC OF THIAMINE. | ||
| RANDALL TILLMAN New member Username: rtillman Post Number: 13 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 206.197.1.3 Rating: N/A |
IF THIS POLIO HOW CONTAGIOUS IS IT, AND WHAT CAN I DO TO PREVENT IT? | ||
| Elaine Elder New member Username: elaine Post Number: 72 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 72.152.150.141 Rating: N/A |
If it is this one - COMPOSITON: Each mL of sterile aqueous solution contains: Thiamine Hydrochloride (B1) 100 mg you can give 1 cc per 20 pounds every 4 to 6 hours for the first 24 hours then 2 to 3 times a day for 5 to 7 more days.. If it is this one - COMPOSITION: Each mL of sterile aqueous solution contains: Thiamine Hydrochloride (B1) 12.5 mg you need to give 1 cc per 3 pounds every 4 to 6 hours for the first 24 hours then 2 to 3 times a day for 5 to 7 more days. Does this help? | ||
| RANDALL TILLMAN New member Username: rtillman Post Number: 12 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 206.197.1.3 Rating: N/A |
HOW MANY CC'S IS 500 MG I THINK YOU ALL ARE SAYING TO INCREASE THIANINE TO ABOUT 8CC. DO YOU WANT ME TO STOP GIVING NUFLOR, AND START GIVING PENINCILLIN? PLEASE ADVISE. I ALSO DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN GIVE ORALLY AND SQ. I KNOW WHAT EACH TERM MEANS, BUT DON'T UNDERSTAND WHEN SAY IT TOGETHER IN THE SAME SENTENCE. | ||
| Barbara Howard Advanced Member Username: bhoward Post Number: 181 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 206.157.148.131 Rating: N/A |
Randall I would get her on 500mg of Thiamin now sq and orally do this every 6 hours around the clock for 24-48 hows. Next I would give Penincillin 1cc/20 lbs orally and sq on the same shcedule as the Thiamin. Give her Probiosis to keep the ruminant going good. Other than this keep her hydrated with fluids so she doesn't dehydrate at least a gallon a day. The vitamin b complex only has 12.5cc of Thiamin in the whole bottle that is just not enough thiamin to help polio. Barbara Howard Capri-Medic jamesa@mrtc.com 606-522-3388 KY | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1732 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.242.73  Rating: N/A |
Randall, be sure to give enough thiamin. If she has polio it really is the only effective treatment. It can't hurt either. If you are using B complex with 100 mg/ml of thiamin she needs 1 cc per 20 pounds 2 to 4 times a day. The blindness and pulling ehr head to the sidw are classic polio symptoms. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Elaine Elder New member Username: elaine Post Number: 66 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 72.152.150.141 Rating: N/A |
You really have to wait a while to see if she is getting better. I had a 90lb Angora doe get the deer parasite and she went down on a Friday while I was out of town. I told the lady that was feeding my animals to just leave her be, because I did not want to put that kind of burden on her. When I came home Sunday, I had my husband go get the tractor so we could bury her. I walked out to the goat pen and he headed to the tractor barn. It had been raining all weekend and it was in the upper 30's both nights. She was laying stretched out on her side in the middle of the pen and was covered in dirt and leaves. I reached down to touch her and realized she was still alive. Her eyes were rolled totally back in her head all you could see were the whites. My husband arrived and looked at her and suggested we put her out of her misery. I couldn't do it. She had held on all weekend, in the cold wet rainy weather with no shelter, waiting for me to get home and take care of her. I think her 10 inch coat of wool saved her from hypothermia. We loaded her up and took her to the horse barn where I have a feed room that I could take care of her in. She was totally paralyzed. This was the first of four goats that I had get the deer parasite. Two I found dead one day that had no symptoms the day before. It took two weeks for her to be able to hold her head up. We forced pedia lite down her throat, hoping not to drown her. We propped her up between two bales of hay, with a pillow on her front legs for her to put her head on. After a month she got to the point that she wanted to move around. She looked like a dolphin out of water. She would flail around until she knocked over something and we would go running to get her back between the bales. She sounded like something out of a horror movie. Her vocal chords had been paralyzed too. She finally got to a point where she could lay with her head up like normal goat but she had to have something beside her to prop against. She had black eyes from slamming into the concrete floor. It took her 2 months to be able to stand for a few minutes at a time. But it took both me and my daughter to hold her up. We had ideas to make her a goat wheel chair. But she was so big nothing seemed to work. I put her in a child's wagon with her back feet hanging off the back and would pull her around so she would feel like she was going somewhere. Then one day we went out to get her on her feet and she was standing there looking at us. After another month she could walk fairly well. Total, She spent 4 months in the horse barn. She is one sad looking goat. She is a little incontinent, and it makes a matted mess in her wool around her butt. We have to keep it trimmed. She has to be sheared. She does not lose her winter coat. And she walks kind of like a zombie. But a couple of months ago she started running again. I watched her for a half hour one day. She seemed to have just realized she could do it again. She would run right through the middle of the other goats. Then barely get stopped before she ran into the fence. Then turn around and do it again. All full speed, zombie gait, if you can imagine. She is bigger than the rest of the goats so they get out of her way. Crystal should inspire a little hope, have a little faith in your goats. |