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     Alex Cripps New member Username: hazydaynubians Post Number: 82 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 142.167.2.222  Rating: N/A |
Hi Tina When you meet with your vet you need the cost of the dibudding cost and drug cost that is what your must pay if she is a 4 week old 100-200 is a good amount for her. does if mine go for 250.00 from birth till 6 months then i call them a full price which is 500.00 - 1,000 So if you cost more then 200.00 then they have to pay for her. Did you watch them do her? I watch every thing they do in or off my land. I will not even leave the barn if they ask for any-thing i just can loose any of the kids or goats i own. My friend had a boer doe that was in labor and couldn't push them out so the vet draged her 10 feet by her back legs. and killed her when pulling it out. And he wouldn't pay for her and she was worth over 500.00 ! Alex Cripps Hazy Day Nubians raising Nubians, Boers, Indian Runner Ducks www.hazydaynubians.piczo.com Apohaqui New Brunswick Canada | ||
| Cheryl Hayward New member Username: calliescomet Post Number: 48 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 67.0.132.63 Rating: N/A |
Hi Tina, We have found that the longer you can wait for banding the better it is on the wethers. Banding to soon can cause them to deal with urinary calcui(sp) when they get older. Not a problem if you are selling at a young age for meat, though. We band ours at about 3 months old. Big R sells a big bander. I hear 12 weeks is the best time to band as they are normally done developing down there. Maybe someone else will have more info on that. We haven't had any problems in our herd. Do remember though they can start breeding at 3 months old. Cheryl CPR Boer Goats 34 Strong and Growing | ||
| Tina M Aden New member Username: tinaaden Post Number: 35 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 68.114.201.105  Rating: N/A |
My vet just called, and he said he will think about replacing the money for "Hoppy" and for the emergency vet we had to call because he was out of town and could not be reached. He and I are meeting tomorrow. He was looking at "Hoppy" as we were talking and realized what he did. ( Vets are always out of town) He admitted that he could not get the copper ring, so he just kept trying. How old do they have to be for the castration bands? I have now 7 kids that were born this weekend and will need to make a decision very soon. Thank you everyone for your kind help during a very hard time. I thank God you all are here for our goats. They are the ones who matter here. Tina M Aden Aden Farms website: http://www.goats.tinaadenseskies101.com/ Nigerian Dwarf Registered & Non Registered Perryville Missouri | ||
| Alex Cripps New member Username: hazydaynubians Post Number: 80 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 142.166.81.90 Rating: N/A |
Gary i do agree with you i did band 1 cdoe i had but it took 1 year for her horns to be big and so that after the bands were on the horns the horns wouldn't grow any more. I think if you get some-one that has had goats for over 20 years they know how to disbud a kid now there are some very good vets that know goats but until each vet only treats goats (or cows , horses ,etc) there will always a risk you have Alex Cripps Hazy Day Nubians raising Nubians, Boers, Indian Runner Ducks www.hazydaynubians.piczo.com Apohaqui New Brunswick Canada | ||
| Gary Pfalzbot Board Administrator Username: admin Post Number: 108 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 67.142.130.31  Rating: N/A |
Some of you may know this, some of you may not... I started out at a failry young age with goats in 4H and then went years without them. Back in 98 or 99 my wife and I decided to get goats to control a weed called Kudzu. It was at this time we bought two registered Alpines that had just been disbudded - a disbudding that we later found out that had not been done right. Both goats died. It wasn't long after that when I started GoatWorld. Over the years I've heard the stories of disbuddings that have gone wrong and it is my opinion that their are really only two acceptable methods: leave the horns intact or use the castration bands. They are so much easier. If you get an older goat with mammoth horns, well yes, you may have to resort to having them cut off and then cauterized. The biggest problem I see with the irons is that you either have to know exactly how far to go and you can't always trust a vet. If you do it yourself, you're also taking a chance. The price of a castration band on each horn is much cheaper and much less traumatic than putting an iron to the top of their head. Just my opinion and method of handling a situation that can cause unwanted problems. Best regards, GP Gary Pfalzbot, GoatWorld | ||
| Alex Cripps New member Username: hazydaynubians Post Number: 78 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 142.167.10.255 Rating: N/A |
Did you pay? if so go get your money back!! Alex Cripps Hazy Day Nubians raising Nubians, Boers, Indian Runner Ducks www.hazydaynubians.piczo.com Apohaqui New Brunswick Canada | ||
| Tina M Aden New member Username: tinaaden Post Number: 31 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 68.114.201.71 Rating: N/A |
Thank you Do you see the photo I have on the list to the left here? That is "Hoppy" She was jumping a foot into the air next to mama. She was the highest jumper ever and the happiest little goat I have ever saw, see her? Now she is dead! Tina M Aden Aden Farms website: http://www.goats.tinaadenseskies101.com/ Nigerian Dwarf Registered & Non Registered Perryville Missouri | ||
| Alex Cripps New member Username: hazydaynubians Post Number: 73 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 142.167.13.243 Rating: N/A |
Hi Tina; I started with goats in 2005 and read all about them for over a year i got 2 does both with horns and loved them to death. I sent the 2 off to a friends to get bred. But only one took and i was a little sad that i woundn't have a black baby and a white one. But after Sugar had her kids i thought if i was going to disbud her and i said yes i knew there were some things that could go wrong but i sit there and took it. (i think i had a harder time!) And after that she took off and stated sucking. Now you may say no more story but the means of this is. Later i got more goats with out horns and 1 would fight i was to afraid that she would kill one i tied her up for over 1 month. I then said you don't want this life so i sold her I don't know where she is but i hope she has a great life. I then got more non horned goats and had Sugar the mother if Lilly (my 1st kid) i gave Sugar away later because she had horns and never used them but the other goats hated her for the horns and she just wasn't having a good life so I now have no horns and i got a disbudder so i can do it my-self and not freak out when a person is doing it for me. So if i was you find a good breeder and get them to disbud for you them you can sleep at night knowing that you goats will be fine. I know how long it takes to get over a death when i sold my first i used all the money from her to buy some thing for the goats and felt a little better. But now 1 year after i still think on how i should have kept her and milked her but go out and see my prize nubians and feel as if she is still in the barn. Alex Cripps Hazy Day Nubians raising Nubians, Boers, Indian Runner Ducks www.hazydaynubians.piczo.com Apohaqui New Brunswick Canada | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1718 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 72.185.188.253  Rating: N/A |
Disbudding accidents happen. it is likely the first vet did go too deep. it sounds like the second vet did what he could and was trying to bring down the swelling in her brain, but once the brain swells to the point of causing pain and neurological symptoms there isn't a whole lot the can do. Surgical intervention (removing part of the skull to relieve the pressure, drug induced coma until the brain heals) is what they do for prople but it doesn't work that way for goats. The dose was okay, maybe a touch high, but within safe limits, just not in time and it could be that nothing could have been done anyway. See what the necropsy report is, cause of death. You can file a complaint with the state veterinary board, but I don't see that these vets did anything really wrong, just a bit overzealous. Perhaps they will get a reprimand. Sorry you lost Hoppy. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Tina M Aden New member Username: tinaaden Post Number: 30 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 68.114.201.71 Rating: N/A |
My little precious "Hoppy" as you know died last night a horrible death. I had her disbudded Wednesday. She was running a fever so I gave her motrin and asprin, the fever would go down a little and come back up. I tried to call my vet, and he was out of town with an 800 emergency number that went nowhere. I called every vet I could in the area within 300 miles asking for help because "Hoppy" was now standing with her head up screaming every once in a while. I knew the iron had burnt her too deep even though I could not tell, he puts the iodine cream on it when he is finished. Her pretty blue eyes were in pain. Finally a vet called and said he could help. He gave her, a three week old, 4ml of Dexamethasone and 4ml of long term Pennicillon. Now when I took her in, she could walk, and nurse fine off of mama. She did stumble once but she was in so much pain. Within seconds after the second shot she went completely lifeless with just a jerk now and then. I started screaming at him saying "you just kidded her" he said no, she is just tired and needs to sleep. He gave me 4ml shot to take home to give her in the morning but 15 minuted after I got her home, layed her on the bed by mama, she twisted her neck all the way around and died. Her eyes were gone, she life was gone from the moment he gave the second shot. Now I put my trust in the Medical profession and why did I end up with a dead baby. Please see the photos on the page below...she was not called Hoppy for nothing. She was my first bottle fed baby's baby and I waited for this little one for a long time. She was a keeper, solid black and georgous. I have not slept in three days and my heart is broken. I will never let either one of these vets touch another animal of mine. They killed her. I may just stop disbudding, my goats, and I have 34, do not bud each other and about 10 of them have horns. They play, but do not hurt each other, they are used to each other. Any advise would be welcomed with open arms, was the meds right, dosage? Click here to see "Hoppy" a few hours before the disbudding. http://goats.tinaadenseskies101.com/Fun.html http://goats.tinaadenseskies101.com/OurBabies.html - my little boy Adam was holding her in his arms when she died, and he has been crying allot also. I also have photos after the disbudding and after she died. How can I stop these Vets from hurting other little goats? I am selling in the area to people who are going to start breeding. I do not want to be mean, but this little one loved to come in and watch TV on my lap while mama took a break with the other mamas. She was family, my child and I cannot get these Vets to talk to me. I have sent her for an autopsy today by a vet who cares to know the truth of which Vet actually killed her or if they both did. Who can I contact if they are guilty? The State board? Especially when they both say they know goat medicine. Thank you Tina M Aden |