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     Don S. New member Username: don_s Post Number: 11 Registered: 01-2007 Posted From: 152.163.100.14  Rating: |
I noticed too that my goats have cut way back on the mineral consumption after it got cold. Could it be that they do not perspire nearly as much as in the hot weather. Also not as thristy, therefore they no longer lose very much salt/minerals thru sweat and urination. Also keep in mind that the salt/minerals that you put out began to asorb more moisture when the air is cooler and more damp. This moisture will also draw in odors out of the surrounding air and goats tend to be repeled by odors on things they eat. That is why I only put out just enough mineral that will eat in a short time. | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1735 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.242.73  Rating: N/A |
I don't know why the nannies have stopped eating the minerals, perhaps they don't want the salt so much so consumption has tapered off. Also when they reach a certain level and can maintain it they wil consume less. I do notice my kids, as they get into the solid food more and more, really like the minerals. I let all of my kids from newborn to 8 months old use the same creep stall. Just be sure no one is being a bully. I start deworming kids are 8 to 12 weeks old. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| bo thompson New member Username: bo_thompson Post Number: 15 Registered: 10-2006 Posted From: 207.65.94.98 Rating: N/A |
maggie how come all of my nanny except the babys have quit eating the mineral mix since it got cold. also when do i start worming my babies they are 8 wk old can I( or is it)OK TO LET ALL BABYS USE THE SAME STALL TO GIT AWAY FROM MOM REGARDLESS OF THERE AGE 2 TO 3 WK OLD WITH 8 TO 10 WK OLD ALL BED DOWN AND EAT TOGATHER DONT GOT MUCH ROOM 6 NANNY 3 STALLS MILKER WORKS GREAT BO | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1726 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.242.73 Rating: N/A |
The 7 and 8 way vaccines are fine, more likely to cause lumps though. If your goats are running with cattle or exposed to cattle it might be wise to use the cattle vaccine. Goats can catch some of these diseases. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1725 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.242.73 Rating: N/A |
Ooops Don you are right sheep and goats products are only good for SHEEP! Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Don S. New member Username: don_s Post Number: 10 Registered: 01-2007 Posted From: 152.163.100.14 Rating: N/A |
Hi Maggie, several posts down you mentioned ANY product labeled for sheep and goats is really only good for goats. Didn't you mean that any 'sheep n goat' product is really only for sheep? I just wanted to bring that up so no one be mislead or confused by it. My understanding is that goat required minerals like copper are absent in such feed because such levels of copper can not be tolerated by sheep. About the CD-T vaccine. On the market I noticed like 7-way and 8-way types. Not sure if any of those are aimed just for cattle diseases or is there any preferences as to which be better for goats? Locally I found only Bar Vac CD/T that is labeled for goats. Wonder if the other brands are just as ok? -Don- | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1704 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 72.185.188.253 Rating: N/A |
The CDT vaccine is the one usually given to goats. It is for Clostridium types C and D, these cause most of the cases of enterotoxemia, and Tetanus. If she were mine I would wait until she is a bit healthier. A goat needs a reasonably strong immune system for a vaccine to work well. It is not the vaccine that actually gives the protection from disease. A vaccine only tricks the body into thinking it is "sick" and the immune system launches a response and creates antibodies to fight the "sickness". It is these antibodies that protect against disease. Without a fairly strong immune system the vaccine doesn't do much good. When you are ready to start vaccinating, give 2 cc by SQ injecction, then booster it TWICE at 3 week intervals. This gives the best protection, but for goats it is only about 50 to 80 percent. Booster once or twice a year after that. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| norma duxbury New member Username: zoeygirl Post Number: 5 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 68.171.125.131 Rating: N/A |
what about giving vaccines? how often and what kind do i give her? im not sure if shes had anything...considering her previous owners....i doubt it. | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1702 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 72.185.188.253 Rating: N/A |
The current recommendations for using ivermectin is to give at least 3 times the cattle dose, so that would be 1 cc per 25 to 30 pounds given ORALLY. You can redose her at anytime. Goats should eat hay and good forage as their primary diet, about 95 percent. Alfalfa hay would be good for her to give her more protein and iron. Grain should be considered somewhat of a supplement, and should be one formulated just for goats. Follow the instructions on the bag but in general it is 0 to 1/2 pound for maintainance, 1 to 2 pounds for growth or weight gain, additional may be given for does raising multiple kids or in heavy lactation. A handful of Black Oil Sunflower Seeds with the ulls still one is a good addition to her grain ration to help with her skin and coat condition and give vitamins and protein. This is much better than corn. Adequate minerals complete the diet, offering too many choices makes it easy for a goat to miss what they need. Look for a loose mineral (goats don't utilize blocks very well at all) with 900 to 1800 ppm copper and 2000 to 4000 ppm zinc and preferably one with a 2:1 ratio of calcium to phosphorus. it will be getting the minerals in balance that will do the most for her skin, and it will take some time, a few weeks to a couple of months to see a big improvement. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| norma duxbury New member Username: zoeygirl Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 68.171.125.131 Rating: N/A |
we've already been through worms. thats how i got zoey in the first place. she belonged to our neighbors who use our barn for some of their boer goats. i went out one day and zoey was laying in 1 of the stalls unable to get up. she was so weak she could hardly make a sound. you could tell she was in pain so i took her to the only vet around here that would treat large animals. crying like a baby over a goat that wasnt even mine!! he ran a few tests on her and when he was finished with them he told me that did have worms and that her red blood cell count was only 10. she was almost dead! he also went on to say that she would need a blood transfusion from a healthy goat to help build up her blood. i told him that she wasnt my goat, not to mention i didnt have a truck to haul a healthy goat in. (i have a toyota 4 runner and i knew zoey was to weak to move around...) but i didnt want her to die either so i would get the owner of the goat and get him to bring a healthy 1 for the transfusion. longer story short... after spending 3 days at the vet, having blood transfusions and a bill for $150.00 and because her owners thinking she was gonna die anyhow, didnt want to reimburse me for the vet bill so i became the proud owner of a very sick goat!! she couldnt even lift her head when i brought her home from the vet. i put her food in a food processor to make it as fine as i could get it so i could spoon feed her! anyhow, back to worming...i gave her the medicine that the vet gave me everyday for 3 days. was told to worm her again 30 days after her last dose. that was the 13th of this month. not really liking the first vet id taken her to, i found another 1 in a different town. this vet ran a fecal test on her and she still had some worms so the vet said to use the ivomec at 1cc per 50lbs. so on the 14th thats what i gave her. was this enough and if not when can she have more? what about food? what is a goat supposed to eat? give me a list of food, medicine and anything else you can think of that zoey should have. and what about her skin peeling? what can i do for that? like i said before...i have never had a goat before zoey and i havent had her long! as for the wormer block and the mineral block and their diet of goat candy in the barn... they along with the other goats out there belong to zoeys previous owners who say they have raised goats for years. so i'll just let them worry about what to do with them. | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1698 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 72.185.188.253 Rating: N/A |
Many older vets are unaware that the mineral recommendations for goats have dramatically changed. ANY product labeled for sheep and goats is really only good for sheep. The wormer block is only good for cattle, it will not keep worms out of your goats. IT WILL MAKE THE WORMS YOUR GOATS HAVE VERY RESISTANT TO THAT DEWORMER. All mineral blocks and loose mineral mixes say right on the package DO NOT OFFER ANY OTHER SOURCE OF SALT. All mineral mixes have 10 to 50 percent salt in them this is what attracts the animals to eat it, not the need for minerals. Sorry to say your vet is living in the dark ages. Cracked corn is goat candy, a cheap grain and just empty calories used to fatten animals going to slaughter (why do you think hunters will scatter it for deer?). Any fed will have enough corn already in it. Please check her mucus membranes of her lower inner eyelids too, they should be deep reddish pink. If they are pale pink to white she is also wormy. Deworm with ivermectin injectable for cattle, give it orally not by injection at 1 cc per 25 pounds. Goats have a very high metabolism and digestive reate the higher dose is necessary to have enough dewormer in her system to kill the worms. ivermectin is very safe even at 25 times the recommended dosage, be sure to give enough. (Message edited by maggieleman on January 22, 2007) Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| norma duxbury New member Username: zoeygirl Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 68.171.125.131 Rating: N/A |
hi maggie, im still feeding her what the vet told me which is 16% goat & sheep starter, cracked corn and as much hay as she wants. santa brought her a salt block for christmas and there is a mineral block and a wormer block in the barn for the other goats but zoey wont touch them. thanks for getting back to me so fast norma | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1690 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 72.185.188.253 Rating: N/A |
It is probably a mineral deficiency, most likely zinc, copper or selenium. Your area is deficient in all tree of these. What is her diet including any mineral supplement? Sometimes adding a handful of BOSS (black oil sunflower seeds) to their grain will help if it is just dry skin. But if it is severe it is likely a mineral deficiency. It can also be made worse if your goat has lice. For lice you can use a synergized delicing pour on for cattle, use about 1/4 the amount recommended for cattle. Lice are more common on goats with a mineral deficiency.... Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| norma duxbury New member Username: zoeygirl Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 68.171.125.131 Rating: N/A |
hi my goat is peeling like she had a sunburn and she scratckes on anything she can find. is this normal and if so is there anything i can do for her? |
