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     Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1640 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.242.73  Rating: N/A |
You can use the ivermectin horse paste, give 3 times the dose by weight (100 pound goat = 300 pound horse). Redcell is good, give half the horse dose once or twice a day, Goat Nutridrench is better. Golden Blend, the Sweetlix loose or soft block for goats (be sure it is just for goats, there is also one for sheep and goats). You might check to see what other brands. The ones to steer clear of are Dumor Mineral for Goats (Tractor Supply), Southern State mineral for Goats, and Purina Goat Mineral. The Dumor and Southern states still don't have enough copper, the Purina is nearly HALF SALT. If it is labeled for Sheep and Goats it is not good enough for goats, not enough copper. This is true for feeds too. If you don't get a soft block for goats from Sweetlix be sure you get a loose mineral. And as with any mineral supplement do not offer any other source of salt. I personally use a loose Beef Cattle mineral from Southern States called Mag-O-Min. It has the 2:1 ratio of calcium to phosphorus and 1250 ppm copper, with about 20 percent salt. Has been working well for my goats for nearly 8 years now. It still doesn't have enough selenium for my area, very few minerals do if you are in a deficient area. The FDA highly regulated the amount of selenium in livestock feeds and supplements about 25 years ago. You may have to do like I do and give BoSe, a prescription only injectable selenium and Vit. E supplement. I give this twice a year at 1 cc per 40 pounds by SQ injection. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Chrystyna Corpron New member Username: chrystynac Post Number: 7 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 69.179.55.171 Rating: N/A |
Elaine - Capri is doing better then when i found her, but i'm still worried about her. I know what you mean about the horses keeping you broke ! After a very hard choice due to not enough time for them ( new farm that needs work,time and money- and my job) and a ever disapearing budget, i just went from 7 to my goal number of 4 - it will be better for us and them - and it will give me more room, money and time for goats. I've been involved with horses pretty much my whole life, and that has made me pretty darn good with first aid for wounds and other equine first aid as well - but i'm really just starting with the goats, and have tons to learn, and am very glad i have found this place - I also hope to have internet at home before my Alpine doe kids in May  Maggie - tomorrow i'm going to my feed store, besides the ivermectin ( if they don't have cattle injectible, can i use horse ivermectin paste?) what else should i get ? Are their certin brand names of minerals for goats i can ask for to see if they have ? Should i pick up some red cell ( if so, whats the doesage for a goat )? Anything else ? Thanks Chrystyna~ | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1639 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.242.73 Rating: N/A |
Yes I would say the worms have been the major cause of illness. She has a good chance of complete recovery, but it may be several months to even a year before she is the picture of health again. Careful about how much grain she is getting, good quality hay is still most important and proper minerals. You might try alfalfa pellets or hay, or even rabbit pellets (which are mostly alfalfa) in place of some of the grain. She also won't have to chew as much. We also had a goat with bad teeth do very well on soaked and broken up alfalfa cubes with his pelleted feed wetted and softened and mixed in too. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Elaine Elder New member Username: elaine Post Number: 19 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 216.9.250.62 Rating: N/A |
A mineral block for horses is the consistency of a rock. Sweetlix is in a plastic wrapper in the shape of a block. It falls apart when you take the wrapper off. My Horses scrape what they want with their teeth from the mineral block. My horses got into the goat sweetlix and the four of them ate a block in about an hour. It takes 12 goats about 3 weeks to go through 1. I am probably lucky no vets see goats & chickens in my area because my horses keep me broke. How is your goat doing? How was the color of her eyelids? I am keeping track of these postings and recording everything for future reference. So far I've learned to keep vitamin B, antibiotics, ivermectin, iodine, pedia lite, mineral oil and a portable heater handy. Never let the feed room get too cluttered, I never know when a goat is going to spend the night in it. I am adding on to my goat barn to accomodate kids due in july. I know I will need a different set of supplies for that. I've had goats for 5 years and I still feel like a total novice. Its a good thing I started with horses 10 years ago. Most things for horses work on goats. I am really good at treating wounds. Horses & goats gut work differently. That is the hardest part for me. | ||
| Chrystyna Corpron New member Username: chrystynac Post Number: 6 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 69.179.55.171 Rating: N/A |
Thank you Maggie - i'm glad i'm now aware that the Safeguard was just a wase of money-i will be switching. Since that is what i've been useing, is it possible that worms could be the cause of this ? If she has such a heavy load of worms that it has made her this sick, what is the likelyhood of unrepairible damage ? Thanks | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1638 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.242.73 Rating: N/A |
If you have been using the Safeguard for Goats it is pretty much ineffective. The package directs you to give the same amount as one would for cattle, and that dose hasn't worked in YEARS. Sure it is safe for goats, it won't kill them but it won't kill many parasites either. Small ruminant experts have been recommending for many years to give goats 3 to 5 times the cattle dose of Safeguard. This was a marketing ploy by the company to get another "approved" deworming drug on the market. It has to pass the FDA as safe for goats, it doesn't have to show it is effective, no drug actually has to show that. Please swictch to the Ivermectin, it is safe for goats that are weak. Check ALL of your goats for anemia, throw the Safeguard away. Goats can have teeth problems just like horses, especially if they lose a molar. The opposing molar will grow into the space. You might have your vet check for this. Some vets can do some floating, it depends on whether the instrument will fit in the mouth. You goat will have to be tranquilized so I would wait until she is healthy and strong again. Aspirin is pretty ineffectve for goats, the microbes in the rumen break it down. But eh dose would be 1 regular tablet per 10 to 15 pounds every 6 to 8 hours. You might try Liquid Children's Motrin at 1 cc per 10 pounds every 6 hours. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Chrystyna Corpron New member Username: chrystynac Post Number: 5 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 69.179.55.171 Rating: N/A |
Thank you all again so much ! Her eyelids and gums are a pale pink, i've been using th safeguard for goats, but i'm going to be picking up the Ivermectin injectible tomorrow - and that will be safe for her since she is still weak right ? As for how she is doing, well she is still with us and still can get up and down by herself, and is eating, although it seems as though her appitite has droped a bit, but maybe because the food is always there ? She is still weak and tire and somewhat "out of it" - the only time she really gets to looking normal is when i'm hand feeding her an apple or something-she really enjoys that. I'm still very worried about her. Do goats ever have teeth problems ? I've noticed she is skinny as well, and lost a lot of her weight since Thurs.- and at times it seems like when she chews it hurts, and as like on and off it appears like she has a tooth ach or head-ach. I didn't feel and swelling or see any abseces, but did notice that her molars are very sharp and jagged, and the outside of the top ones hang over her bottom ones a lot - i'm not familar with goats mouths - i'm learning still, but if it was one of my horses i would have their teeth done NOW- as the way her teeth are compared to a horses, would be very abnormal, and painfull if in a horses mouth. If it could be teeth - are things done with a goats teeth, such as floating for a horse ? Can she have asprin ? Also, this is kind of off subject, but can goats eat dates ? The only moleasses i have around the house is date molelasses, and i wondering if that is safe for goats. Thats all i can think of for now, but i should have internet access untill 8:30pm central time,tonight to read everybody's posts and reply, after that i'll be back Tue. am - Please send healthy goat vibes my way - Thanks | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1628 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.242.73 Rating: N/A |
Definitely check for lice and worms. The color of the lower inner eyelid is a very good indicator. As for effective deworming, I recommed using Ivermectin Injectable for Cattle, it is safe for weak goats and more effective than many of the "white" wormers like Safeguard or Panacur. GIVE IT ORALLY as a drench at 1 cc per 25 pounds. It is very safe even at 25 times this dose, you MUST be sure to give enough. Treat again in 2 weeks. Look at the lower inner eyelids of you rother goats too, they should be a deep rosy or salmon pink, nearly red. An adequate mineral with enough copper is vital for good red cell production, parsite resistance and a healthy immune system. Look for a loose mineral, not a block, with 900 to 1500 ppm copper. Giving Goat Nutridrecnh or Geritol liquid (use the adult dose) twice a day will help build her back up and supply more iron and vitamins. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Elaine Elder New member Username: elaine Post Number: 18 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 216.9.250.6 Rating: N/A |
I knew someone would come up with something I didn't think of. My goats are rotated in 4 pastures. It breaks the parasite cycle. I worm in the spring orally and fall by injection. Good luck | ||
| Pam Martin (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From: 67.72.98.117 Rating: N/A |
Chrystyna, I have scanned the posts and hope I didn't overlook this topic, but has she been wormed lately? Check those lower inner eyelids for bright pink color. If they're white or pale pink, she probably has a heavy parasite load. Also, check for lice. I've had goats for 6 years now and never had a problem before until recently some new kids had a few on their heads, probably from nursing under mom. I dusted all my goats with sevin dust and used a lice dust on the kids. They should be treated again in a couple of weeks to get the hatching lice. Lice can pull a goat down from the anemia cause by blood loss. Selenium deficiency does not cause goat polio and besides she isn't exhibiting the signs. I don't think that is your problem...she went down too fast and your other goat is fine. I would treat for parasites both internal and external if there are signs of infestation. Keep up the nutridrench and electrolytes for a while since that seems to have helped. She may need some Probios or yogurt to get her rumen working properly. You might want to look into giving her some Vit B complex shots for a boost. With TLC, I bet she improves. Good luck. |