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     Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1670 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 72.185.188.253  Rating: N/A |
That is wonderful to hear! Way to go Megan and Jett! Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Megan Schefke New member Username: schef1mm Post Number: 59 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 64.105.216.245  Rating: N/A |
Update on Jett... Good News!!! He's 100% back to normal. I can't even believe it. He was slowly getting a little better every day. Yesterday we were cleaning out their stall and I brought them out of the pen to roam around. As soon as Jett hit the gate he was jumping and bouncing around all of the yard. Back to his crazy self. I can't thank you enough. I thought he was a gonner. Even though everyone seems to be up to par I'm having the vet come out next week to give them all a clean bill of health. If or when this happens again I'll be prepared. Hopefully it isn't for a while though.  Thanks again!Megan | ||
| Megan New member Username: schef1mm Post Number: 46 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 69.245.86.243 Rating: N/A |
The pedialyte may ahve been the problem. I quit giving it to him yesterday and today he seems quite better. He isn't whining much at all and he seems to be seeing better. Still moving slowly but I'm sure he's on the mend. He was reaching up a little more for hay today and eating a little more aggressively. I would have been in trouble without you. | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1634 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.242.73 Rating: N/A |
H eis drinking on his own you can be pretty sure of that. The pedialyte really has more sugar than he needs and it can be upsetting to his stomach. If you still feel the need to drench give plain water. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Megan New member Username: schef1mm Post Number: 45 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 69.245.86.243 Rating: N/A |
He's still not seeing well but hopefully that will change soon. Yesterday and today he was eating quite a bit. I still haven't seen him drink water on his own so I've been giving the pedialyte and warm water. Just this afternoon he started getting kind of whiney again. I went out there and sat with him for a while and his belly sounded kind of grumbly. Does he maybe have a stomach ache? Just thought since he hadn't eaten for a few days and now is eating a lot. I fed him some baking soda but otherwise he's only eating hay. | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1629 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.242.73 Rating: N/A |
Sounds like very good progress to me! Keep up the good work, I am so glad to hear he is better! Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Megan New member Username: schef1mm Post Number: 44 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 64.105.216.245 Rating: N/A |
Update on Jett... Yesterday he was eating quite a bit more. I sat and hand fed him hay, pedialyte and water for about an hour straight and he chowed down. Had to watch the other bullys though because they were trying to steal the food that was handing out of his mouth still! I quit giving the motrin and yesterday I started the shots just 3 times a day. This morning was the first day that he came out of the barn and went to eat on his own from the hay rack out in the pen. I know it doesn't sound like much but I think that's a big improvement from where he was a few days ago. I don't think his sight is perfect yet but I do think he's seeing a little better. He seems to blink a lot more when I wiggle my fingers in front of his eyes where before he would hardly blink. He is also responding much better when I call out his name. I know we aren't in the clear yet but I have a feeling he's going to be ok. I'm going to just continue with what we're doing for now. Something seems to be working. Maggie I think you saved another little guy. I would have lost him for sure without you. I can't thank you enough! P.S. He's starting to put up more of a fight when getting his shots. I know that isn't good for me but I hopefully it's a sign of him getting stronger. | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1621 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.215.105 Rating: N/A |
Sounds good. Hopefully he will be better tomorrow. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Megan New member Username: schef1mm Post Number: 43 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 69.245.86.243 Rating: N/A |
Unfortunately we only have one stall for our three goats. I'll make sure to hand feed him so I know that he's eating. | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1620 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.215.105 Rating: N/A |
Many goats with polio go completely blind. When the brain swelling goes down sight usually returns. Can you put him in a small stall where he can find the water, hay and some feed? You might hand feed him and hold his water bucket several times a day to give him a chance to eat and drink on his own. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Megan New member Username: schef1mm Post Number: 42 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 69.245.86.243 Rating: N/A |
I got home and gave another shot. Went well. He drank a little of the petialyte out of a bottle but didn't notice him drinking on his own. I gave him a few oyster crackers because I hadn't seen him eat anything. He ate them up but the weird thing was that it was like he couldn't find them in my hand. Then I took some hay and put it almost in his mouth and he ate it like he was really hungry. He seems almost blind. I just went out there and he was screaming because he was "trapped" between the door of the stall and the wall (I have the door propped half way closed). Nothing was holding him there. It was as if he couldn't see how to get out. Is this normal? Other than that everything else seems to be progressing. I saw him eating a little hay on his own too. | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1618 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.215.105 Rating: N/A |
Going to take a while for the brain swelling to go down. Glad you found the Fortified B Complex it does make it lots easier for everyone! Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Megan New member Username: schef1mm Post Number: 41 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 64.105.216.245 Rating: N/A |
I just spoke with my husband and he went out to give Jett another shot (I went out and got the fortified b complex today!). He said that he seemed the same. Not much more improvement. He said that the shot was much easier to give though. I'll pick up the pedialyte on my way home. Hopefully that will help give him a little energy. | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1617 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.215.105 Rating: N/A |
The urine is dark and stinky because of the B Complex, this is normal. Sounds like pretty good progress to me. You can probably discontinue the Motrin. You can give half pedialyte and half water when you drench him. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Megan New member Username: schef1mm Post Number: 40 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 64.105.216.245 Rating: N/A |
Just an update...We haven't moved back which is good but I don't think I've seen too much progress either. I may just not want to be getting my hopes up. It was a long night, not much sleep. He was shaking a little yesterday and he wasn't this morning. I also saw him poo and pee this morning. I figure that has to be good. One thing I did notice was that his urine was a really dark yellow, the same color as the B-Complex. Is this ok? I'm going out to an Equine store today to get the Fortified B-Complex. That should be much easier to give to him than the other. It's just really hard to inject that much into him. I haven't noticed him drinking water so I was giving him some through a suringe and he drank it. Should I mix up an electrolyte solution for him? Other than that, he was lying down sleeping with the other boys this morning. He got up on his own and seemed a little out of it but I think that may be due to the motrin. Should I continue to give that to him? I guess as it stands right now it's just a waiting game. He's moving around slowly, sniffing at the hay a little, and just wants to be pet. Cross your fingers for him | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1615 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.215.105 Rating: N/A |
Best way is to hold him pressed to the wall. If you think it smells bad try tasting it! It really is best to give it by injection. I have never been able to give something that tastes this bad orally, it is INCREDIBLY bitter and foul. Some people find it easier to plan on giving it in 2 or 3 different places, less to inject each time. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Megan New member Username: schef1mm Post Number: 39 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 69.245.86.243 Rating: N/A |
We gave him some children's motrin with his last dose of B-Complex. He has quit screaming and is standing in the barn now. Hopefully the motrin will make him sleepy. He's been pacing up and down the fence line for hours. Unfortunately my husband works midnights and I have to give the last shot of the night by myself. Any suggestions? It seems like it takes a while to get the 10 cc's into him so he squirms quite a bit. Do I just pin him between myself and the wall? It stinks because even with my husband I had to stick him a few times to get the whole dosage in him. Can this be given orally? I need to order the fortified b complex! | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1612 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.215.105 Rating: N/A |
He definitely has polio! It can be several hours to a day before you see improvement. The screaming is from a HUGE headache, polio causes the brain to swell. If you have banamine give that at 0.1 (one tenth) cc per 10 pounds every 12 to 24 hours for a day or so. If you don't have that you can use liquid Children's Motrin at 1 cc per 10 pounds every 4 to 6 hours for pain. Be diligent with the thiamin, since he has had symptoms for over a day he is in a real crisis right now. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1611 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.215.105 Rating: N/A |
No harm done. You can't overdose on B vitamins. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Megan New member Username: schef1mm Post Number: 37 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 69.245.86.243 Rating: N/A |
Oh no! I just realized that I gave him the wrong dosage. I gave him 1 cc/1 lb not 1 cc/3 lb. I can't believe I did that. Will he have any sort of bad reaction because of this? | ||
| Megan New member Username: schef1mm Post Number: 36 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 69.245.86.243 Rating: N/A |
Poor little guy. I got home and gave him the B Complex about a half hour ago. I thought it was the fortified but it wasn't so unfortunatly I had to give him 3-10/cc shots. I'm running up to the store to see if they have the fortified. Other than that. He seems to be moving a little faster than this morning but not normal. He seems kind of drunk running into things a little. It's almost like he's slightly blinded. He is screaming quite a bit but I guess I'll have to wait and see what happens. How long before I should see any signs of whether it's working or not? I'm so impatient. Wish us luck. P.S. He's chewing his cud, urinating, deficating and nipping at hay a tiny bit. I took him warm water with some probiotic powder in it. His lower inner eyelids look like his normal pink shadeb too. Not pale. | ||
| lynn kachmarchik Member Username: lynnsgoats Post Number: 9 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 67.72.98.107 Rating: N/A |
maggie, is there a way to prevent polio? can you give a booster of vit b complex to prevent polio? or something else. | ||
| Megan New member Username: schef1mm Post Number: 35 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 64.105.216.245 Rating: N/A |
They get to browse just for about an hour a week. They have a fairly large pen. Once a week when we clean out the barn I pull them out for a while to keep them occupied. They do eat fallen leaves but not in large quantities. I don't feed them a bag full or anything, just the few that are still blowing around into their pen. I'm going to leave work shortly and see how things are going at home. I'll keep you posted. Thanks so much for your help. | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1609 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.215.105 Rating: N/A |
That's all correct. I find that giving a SQ injection may be easier lower down over the ribs, like just behind the elbow. I use a 1 inch needle and insert it nearly all the way at about a 35 degree angle. You wnat to get it all the way under the skin, not in it but not into the muscle. But where ever you can pinch up loose skin is a good spot. Be sure you are using Fortified B Complex (has 100 mg/ml Thiamin) if giving 1 cc per 20 pounds. If it is the regular B Complex (has 12.5 mg/ml of thiamin) you have to give 1 cc per 3 pounds. Do they get to browse? Are they eating lots of fallen leaves? Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Megan New member Username: schef1mm Post Number: 34 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 64.105.216.245 Rating: N/A |
Yes, our hay is from a reliable source and is kept in a dry barn up on a rack off of the ground. We only feed hay and minerals. Ok...this will be my first shot that I'm giving. This is given just below the skin right? Not in the muscle. Around the shoulder area is a good spot to give it? If his eyelids are really pail pink or white treat for worms also, right? | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1607 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.215.105 Rating: N/A |
Its that time of year and with the weather being so unsettled in so many parts of the country more goats are showing up with polio. Me I would go home if I could, at least to give the first injection. He may have already had polio for 2 days... Does your hay come from a reliable source? Is it stored in a dry barn? How about your feed? Is the feedstore warehouse dry and reasonably climate controlled? Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Megan New member Username: schef1mm Post Number: 33 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 64.105.216.245 Rating: N/A |
I don't get it. I just went through this with another goat a few monthes back. Unfortunately we lost him. Is there any reason for this? Is there something that I can do to help prevent this from happening? I'm going to be at work for another 5 hours. Is this something I should go home and take care of right away or will he be fine if I wait until I get home? This is not fun  | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1605 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.215.105 Rating: N/A |
I would suspect polio, a thiamin deficiency and begin treatment. Give Fortified B Complex at 1 cc per 20 pounds every 4 to 6 hours and see if that helps. If it does then give every 4 to 6 hours for 24 to 36 hours then 2 to 3 times a day for another 7 days. Check his lower inner eyelids for color to be sure he isn't anemic... Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Megan New member Username: schef1mm Post Number: 32 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 64.105.216.245 Rating: N/A |
Hi Maggie When cleaning out the barn yesterday I noticed one of my little guys, Jett, not acting like himself. His eyelids seemed to be really droopy and he almost seemed to keep to himself a little more than usual. This morning when I went to feed them he was really slow. He walked extremely slow to the hay rack and then just kind of sniffed around. I saw him take a couple of small bites but normally he's diving in pushing the others out of the way. Now it did get below freezing last night and it hasn't been for a couple of weeks. Was he maybe just a little chilly? He seemed to kind of shiver a little. No temp. Wormed last on 12/10 @ 1cc/20lbs. Am I overreacting? (I tend to at times... they are my babies! |