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     Dwight & Kathy Currie New member Username: crookedtreefarm Post Number: 19 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 72.10.78.147 Rating: N/A |
So this is a normal thing with goats. Okay We'll add it to the list of Goat ownership problems, and be grateful it's nothing serious. Thanks much Maggie. You're on our Christmas card list for life..lol Your help and advice is invaluable. | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1398 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.230.109  Rating: N/A |
Its too late to vaccinate the rest of the herd. Basically the vaccine IS SOREMOUTH. It just gives the the opportunity to time the outbreak in your herd. And since the soremouth lesions can occur anywhere on the body when you use the vaccine you make it so the sore happens on the inside flank, not on the mouth. The goat still has an active case of soremouth and when the scab sheds it carries the virus into the environment with it. ANy of your goats that aren't already immune (and a good many of them are) have already been exposed. Just let it run its course and consider it a free round of vaccinations. Many people swear that gentian violet that you can get by asking at a good drug store will help spead healing and cut down on secondary infections. Soremouth in goats just isn't that big a deal and its something every goat keeper will have to deal with at some time. YOU CAN CATCH SOREMOUTH. For most people it occurs on the hands (from touching and treating infected goats). Wear gloves if you are going to treat the sores. Wash thoroughly and change clothes after treating or handling the goats. If you develop a sore that is very painful and won't heal tell your doctor your goats have had soremouth and that you may now have orf (this is what it is called in humans). Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Dwight & Kathy Currie New member Username: crookedtreefarm Post Number: 18 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 72.10.78.147 Rating: N/A |
Under the eyelids is pink. Of the 4 a couple are darker than the others but all show pink. They aren't lethargic, and are eating. The first doe to show symptoms seemed better yesterday, but today her mouth seems more swollen, and splitting in places. Assuming this is soremouth. I have read the goatworld article on Soremouth and it seems like there is nothing that can be done once it breaks out, and it will clear up in one to four weeks, but there is a preventative vaccination. Jeffers has it on "extended backorder" but I assume it cab be found on another website. Would you reccomend that I vaccinate the rest of my herd? | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1397 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.230.109 Rating: N/A |
Sounds like you do have sore mouth going around. Have you checked the lower inner eyelids? Are they for a fact anemic? My goats would get a little swollen with sore mouth. I have never used cydectin but I suppose it could be reaction to the carrier (the stuff that makes it smell like kerosene). I would think though they would have reacted to that much sooner. Smell their faces and muzzles and see if it smells like the cydectin. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Dwight & Kathy Currie New member Username: crookedtreefarm Post Number: 17 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 72.10.78.67 Rating: N/A |
I checked the weight tape against the measurement formula you gave me and the weight tape gave a higher weight than the formula. According to these figures I gave them more than was necessary of the Cydectin. Could this be the reason for the sores on their mouths. I now have 3 large does and one doeling showing similar symptoms. Two have swelling under their chins and scabby looking sores on their lips, one has a small amouint of swelling under her jaw and no lip sores, another has no swelling under the jaw but lots of scabby sores on her lips. The lip sores started at the corner. I dosed them today with B complex and Geritol, and have them shut up in a stall until I can get a handle on this. Is all this from anemia, or do I have sore mouth going around too? | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1389 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.230.109 Rating: N/A |
Yes you can use Geritol, Redcell for Horses (half the horse dose), or Goat Nutridrench. The B12 will help too, B Complex would be better. Goats do not absorb iron very well from the gut, especially if the gut is damaged from worms, injected iron is absorbed at a much higher rate. I recently learned this and it makes sense from what I have seen in my own goats. Most iron that goes into making new red cells actually comes from the body recycling the iron from old cells. But if those cells are lost from being ingested by worms or through bleeding the iron is lost. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Dwight and Kathy Currie New member Username: crookedtreefarm Post Number: 16 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 72.10.78.47 Rating: N/A |
It's unbelievable, but I've called around and cannot locate injectable iron within a 25 mile radius of here. I can order it from Jeffers but that will take until probably Tuesday for delivery. I have B-12 injectable. Will this help in the mean time? Any other suggestions. I read somewhere that Geritol can be given. The doe looks better today. The swelling is reduced, and she's eating good. | ||
| Dwight and Kathy Currie New member Username: crookedtreefarm Post Number: 15 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 72.10.78.47 Rating: N/A |
They all get Golden Blend Goat Mineral free choice, and I'll check her eyelids tomorrow morning and give her iron if necessary. Thanks for the formula Maggie. I'll check her weight also and see if I underdosed her. She's a big roan doe, and we're hoping for some good kids with our Kiko/Boer buck | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1382 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.230.109 Rating: N/A |
Check her lower inner eyelids. If they are pale pink or white she is very anemic. Sometimes a goat on the edge of having bottle jaw from worms WILL get it right after being dewormed. The wormer just kills the worms. Right after that they ALL let go of the gut wall leaving thousands of bleeding wounds. Deworming ONLY kills the worms it soes not undo the damage the worms have done. She needs to heal and rebuild blood cells. If she is anemic, injectable iron such as Ferrodex is the best treatment. Use the pig dose. The goats also need adequate copper in their diets to metabolize iron into red blood cells. Do they get a loose mineral with at least 900 to 1899 ppm copper? The weight tapes are not useful for meat goats they would be very inaccurate. Here is a formula for figuring weight: Measure in inches the heartgirth (around the body just behind the front legs) Measure in inches the length of body from the point of shoulder (it points forward just below the base of the neck at the front of the chest) to the pinbones (the bony points pointing backwards at the base of the tail) Multiply heartgirth x heartgirth x length of body and divide by 300 for the weight in pounds. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Dwight and Kathy Currie New member Username: crookedtreefarm Post Number: 14 Registered: 08-2006 Posted From: 72.10.78.47 Rating: N/A |
I don't know if this is an emergency or not so I'm posting here. One of my large does lips were slightly swollen yesterday, and by today they are very swollen and she has a large lump under her chin. She seems to feel okay and ate this afternoon. My first thought was Bottle Jaw, but my understanding is that this is a result of worms, and I wormed everybody with Cydectin on monday. I use 1cc per 10 pounds, and because I don't have a scale that will accomodate goats, and use a weight tape, I add extra to be sure they get enough. Could it be some sort of allergic reaction, bug, or spider bite? Could she have eaten something? My other 24 are fine. Anybody got any ideas??? |