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     Theresa Chandler New member Username: tchandler6 Post Number: 82 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 207.69.137.7 Rating: N/A |
Yes, she had pale membranes. I will check the other girls, also. I had just dewormed them on July 20th with Ivermectin. I do not like worming so soon between wormings, unless I have to. I worry about them becoming immune to the wormers. Maggie, it was this past Monday that I started the 3 days of cydectin, now today, Sunday, I noticed that Summer has the start of bottle jaw. Is it common for bottle jaw to show up within a week of worming? Or, did I still not get all of the worms? I am still giving her the b complex, and probios, also biosol, because she STILL has the scours. YUCK!! I am beginning to wonder if at her age and all of the problems she has had in these last months if I shouldn't just go ahead and do something drastic, which I really do not want to do?! Last month when all of this happened, the vet told me to give her corid, because she also had coccidia, well, she had gotten polio from that, and poor thing, had a terrible time coming back around. I had always used albon, but upon the vet's advice, I used the corid. MISTAKE! But it did get rid of the coccidia. Then, after her poo had gone back to normal berries, and she had begun eating really well again, here we are all over again.... Thanks for taking your time to listen and give your SOOO helpful, much needed, advice, Maggie.} | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1096 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.47  Rating: N/A |
She was likely in the process of becoming reinfested, worms must reach the adult stage to start laying eggs which show up in the fecal exam. Do check the other goats to see what they are shedding. Did you happen to notice whether she had pale membranes during all this time? That may indicate the presence of worms but they may not have been shedding eggs. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Theresa Chandler New member Username: tchandler6 Post Number: 81 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 207.69.137.38 Rating: N/A |
I had taken a final sample in after the 3rd week of worming her last time, and the vet had said that she only had 2 worm eggs, she was fine, not to do anything else. Since that time to this time, it has only been (maybe) 3 weeks. | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1094 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.47 Rating: N/A |
I would give her the better hay, she needs to be on the best nutrition possible especially a good roughage. I don't know if she will have this problem keep recurring. If it has only been a month from her last bout I don't really think you really had it under control then. You might take a sample in from one of the other goats, and look at their mucus membranes. Younger does can have a very high parasite load and not have severe symptoms. But they could be reinfecting Summer much faster. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Theresa Chandler New member Username: tchandler6 Post Number: 80 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 207.69.137.27 Rating: N/A |
Thanks for replying so quickly, Maggie. I am so thankful to have this forum to come to. I have put Summer in a nicely bedded stall in the barn; gave her hay, mineral, feed and water. I'm gonna go back out and give her probios and b complex. I gave her last year's hay. I have some better this year's hay that is pretty green. Would it be more hurtful to her to give her this year's greener clover hay? I had just gotten her over this problem; when it happened again. Is this the way it's gonna be all summer? I have her in with 4 other does, they are alright; but much younger than Summer. | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1093 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 64.102.64.115 Rating: N/A |
Even though you have dewormed her digestive tract still has to mend. She has an open wound at each place where there was a worm attached in her gut. All you have done is killed the worms, this doesn't always bring instant results especially with a goat that is anemic and has diarrhea. Sometimes a badly infected goat seems to get worse before they get better. It will probably be several weeks before she is truly on the mend. Keep giving the probios and the B Complex. be sure she doesn't have to compete for food and gets plenty of roughage. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Theresa Chandler New member Username: tchandler6 Post Number: 79 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 207.69.137.36 Rating: N/A |
Well, I gave Summer (the goat) her 3rd day of the cydectin yesterday; this A.M. she has really bad diahrrea again. Today was also her 5th day of Albon treatment. I am at a loss with her. Don't know what to do from here. I gave her 8 cc's of the cydectin all 3 days. She weighs approx. 130 pounds. She came out to eat at the feed trough this morning. I had been giving her probios & Fortified B complex up until yesterday. (I thought she was on the mend) I'd appreciate any advice on where to go next. The only other wormer I have on hand is ivermectin and Safeguard. All of the deworming I have had to do with her lately seems to be all in vain. | ||
| Don S. (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From: 172.148.70.215 Rating: N/A |
My experience been the same with older nannies being more difficult to keep dewormed. I suppose their immune system is not as strong as was in their younger years. I also had such failures with the ivermectin, even with a 2-day treatment. Had to resort to the cydectin. For now it has been working with just a single dose at rate 1cc/20lbs. Wonder if some type of high dosage vitamins for her would help her to build up her immune system more. Being of that age, her body just may not be asorbing enough with what the mineral and feed have available. | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1082 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.47 Rating: N/A |
Older animals have much less resistance to parasites no matter how good their nutrition. She is becoming reinfected not because the wormer doesn't work so much but because her environment is infested. Be sure she eats from clean bowls, her hay is up high and clean. Perhaps limiting pasture, which is often where the highest infestation is, may help. Cut leafy limbs or unexposed browse for her to eat. Deworm one more day with the cydectin and repeat it in 2 weeks then repeat in 2 weeks again. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Theresa Chandler New member Username: tchandler6 Post Number: 77 Registered: 08-2005 Posted From: 207.69.137.8 Rating: N/A |
I have a 13 year old nanny that had a bad case of worms right at about a month ago. Got her all cleared up, then she came down with the diahrrea (?) again this week. Had a fecal done at the vets office, he said she is full of worm eggs again. It is extremely hot and humid here in Southern Indiana; the weather is in the high 90's. The vet says that's the reason she keeps getting wormy so much. She has access to free choice goat mineral. Fed twice a day, as of now, she is still eating her feed. I have given her cydectin 2 days in a row. I am afraid at the rate she is going, she is going to become immune to everything. I had given her ivermectin over a week ago, which evidently did nothing for her. This doe is just a very good family pet that we have had ever since she was a kid. I'm beginning to wonder how much of a problem we are going to have keeping her worm free from now on. She had always been healthy up until the last year or so. Lately, the medicine cabinet is getting low trying to keep her healthy from preventing and treating her. Is there hope that she can overcome the recurring worm problems at her age? How many days is it safe to give cydectin? Thanks for any help |