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     Don S. (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From: 172.132.24.43 Rating: N/A |
Sounds like you been thru alot and did all you could to save him. Goats sure can go down fast, and we lose one every now and then. Another good use for thiamin is for weak newborns. 1/2 cc injection of 250mg/ml usually helps to get one up on its feet. | ||
| Sandi Scott New member Username: sarasotasandi Post Number: 74 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.50.41.114 Rating: N/A |
We put the kid down today. He already had paralysis and blindness on one side, and after being down so long, was at risk for pneumonia and muscle atrophy. He had already suffered enough. Thank you all for the help and suggestions - we've decided it was probably polio or listeriosis. I have ordered thiamin to keep on hand in case I ever have another suspected case like this, who knows, perhaps earlier treatment might have made a difference. | ||
| mark guernsey New member Username: 2ndchance Post Number: 11 Registered: 05-2006 Posted From: 70.129.196.21 Rating: N/A |
to get them back up and get you some more time get a 50cc serienge and i bottle of gator aid (red) leave it at room temp and just stick it in there mouth (no needle) and give them 100 to 300 cc;s 2 times a day. i have used this for a few months now and it works great | ||
| Don (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From: 172.128.63.98 Rating: N/A |
Since you mention about the banding at 4 weeks of age, the symptoms might be reactions of the kid having extreme pain from the banding or maybe from a complication with the banding. My preference is to band by 2 weeks of age. I found that by banding later than that, the kid experiences alot more pain and stress. Hopefully the vet will give him banamine and another dose to take home for later. He may also recommend surgical castration. I hope the kid survives ok. Sorghums that can become toxic include sorghum-sudan hybrids (haygrazer types), and johnson grass which grows wild here in the south central region. Other known names of the toxic conditions are prussic acid (hydrogen cyanide) poisoning, hydrocyanic acid (HCN) poisoning. Not only drought but also after a frost can produce this. Info on this can also be found on net searching. Your agent should be able to tell you if it is common in your area. | ||
| Sandi Scott New member Username: sarasotasandi Post Number: 73 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.50.41.114 Rating: N/A |
Thanks Don, The kid is still holding on, no diarrhea, temp or bloating. I will get thiamin from the vet this AM. He did get part of an ear torn off almost 4 weeks ago, and he was banded about 1 week ago. I had just given him tetanus for horn disbudding when his ear got torn, and gave a booster when I did the banding. We worm every 3 months, Valbazen 1cc/10 lbs on dry does, bucks and kids. Ivermectin, 1cc/30 lbs after breeding. Kids also get Safeguard 1cc/10 lbs once a month. I didn't know about nitrate poisoning, so will check with the extension office re: sorghum. If the kid is still alive when vet office opens, I'll take him in and see if they can come up with a dx. Rest of the herd seems fine. | ||
| Don (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From: 172.131.176.61 Rating: N/A |
Hi Sandi, sorry about your loss. If she was heavily infested with worms, treating her with dewormer will not give rapid recovery. The demand of proper nutritional intake is so great while she was having to produce milk for twins. Parasite infestation will work against her nutrition, and if left to go out of control, it will cause major problems and death. The doe could have been at the point of being hypocalcemic. The 5 week kid sounds like symptoms of polio which would require immediate treatments thiamin, much more than the B complex contains. Also antibiotic tratments. If you have one going down fast and need rapid help, there are several emergency contacts listed at http://www.goatworld.com/911/ . As you see it may take several hours to get a respond on the forum. To help track down the problem you are having with the herd, When was the last time the doe and the others were dewormed? What wormer are you using and at what dosage rate? You could be underdosing or using a type of dewormer that is no longer effective on your herd. What other symptoms did the 5 week kid have? Any diarrhea, pale inner eyelids or gums, bloat? If it is not a parasite problem, not knowing your goats grazing environment, could they be grazing across a plant that is toxic to goats? Keep in mind that nitrate levels can build up to a dangerous level in sorghums during summer drought conditions and cause symptoms similiar to what you posted. Sorry I cannot be more help. One of the forum medics should be along soon to further assist. | ||
| Sandi Scott New member Username: sarasotasandi Post Number: 72 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 63.87.188.226 Rating: N/A |
I lost a doe today - she had been nursing twins, about 2 months old. Yesterday she seemed listless, pale gums. I wormed her yesterday and again today. She was up and walking but still listless. An hour later, I found her dead. Also today, I found a 5 week kid in the barn, laying down, head pulled to one side. No temp, but I noticed his eyes kind of twitching. I dosed him with Pen G and B Complex this morning and again this afternoon, but he appeared to be going downhill fast. I have 25 other goats, if anyone has any suggestions as to what might have caused the sudden death of these two, it would be greatly appreciated. |