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     kenneth winter jr New member Username: bubbawinter5 Post Number: 13 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 152.163.100.14 Rating: N/A |
Thank you Maggie!!!!!Ken | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 287 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.141 Rating: N/A |
Go to www.fiascofarm.com for instructions, pictures of parasites to look for and how to make your own fecal float solution. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| kenneth winter jr New member Username: bubbawinter5 Post Number: 12 Registered: 09-2005 Posted From: 205.188.116.137 Rating: N/A |
Hi Every one, I have been looking for the site that tells you how to learn to do fecal testing. can any one tell me where to look? or how to do it? so I don't have to keep paying the vet $18.00 each time for this. I have a microscope what else do I need? Thank you. Ken | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 30 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.205.236 Rating: N/A |
UNDERDOSING is what causes resistance much more often than overdosing. If you give a dose too small you only kill the less resistant worms leaving the stronger more resistant worms to reproduce. Likely you are underdosing the Safeguard. The current recommendations for using any Safeguard product is to give 4 to 5 times the cattle or horse dose by weight, for 5 to 7 consecutive days and repeating in 2 weeks. Even at this it si often not effective. The best way to tell how often to deworm is to do regular fecal exams. When egg counts start to go up, you deworm. We deworm about 4 times a year, more often on kids though, as they are so susceptible and put everything in their mouths. You should use a dewormer until the worms start to show resistance and then switch to a different family of deworming drug. I usually find this is about every 3 years or so at this time on my farm. How often you need to deworm is governed by whether you are trying to get a problem under control, how crowded your conditions are, whether or not you can rotate pastures (this is VERY helpful in reducing parasites) and how often the animals are stressed. Some dewormers are not very safe if giving too much, but Ivermectin is very safe for all goats even at 100 times the recommended dose. So you CAN be SURE to give enough, even if you can't actually weigh each animal. So underdosing and causing resistant parasites is less of a problem with ivermectin. Proper mineral supplementation also seems to be very important with maintaining resistance to worms, especially being sure your goats get adequate copper. I know my goats became much more resistant to both worms and disease when I got the minerals right. If you are using a feed or mineral labeled for sheep and goats, they aren't getting near enough copper. The general recommendations is a loose mineral blend with 800 to 1500 ppm copper. If you can't find one for goats with this a loose mineral mix for beef cattle makes a good substitute. | ||
| (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From: 207.119.220.38 Rating: N/A |
we used safegaurd, not sure of dose, hubby give it to them. I guess, from what I've read, we will start using Ivomec. Is it safe to go ahead and give them, after safegaurd? How often should we de-worm them. What I've read, says not to overdose, or do it to often because of resistance build up. So when is good. I've heard some do every month, some do every three months. Again thank you so much for help and advice!! | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 29 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.205.236 Rating: N/A |
What kind of worm medicine are you using and how much do you usually give? Many are not effective anymore and if she wasn't being treated or was being treated but not effectively, this could make a big difference. Safeguard and Panacur are pretty much not effective anymore, these are the 2 most often used. Pelleted dewormer is iffy, you can't really be sure the goat ate enough. Each dewormer has its own withdrawal times, I use the advice at www.fiascofarm.com as a guideline. The dose they currently have listed for Ivermectin though is low, the University of Florida has recommended using Ivermectin at 3 to almost 4 times the cattle and horse dose by weight for several years, especially in the SE US or in cases of severe infestation. You can start giving her B Complex injectable (you can give thsi orally if you like) to help heal her damaged digestive system, use the sheep dose or 1/3 the cattle dose if no goat dose is given. And you can give Geritol (use the adult dose) or Goat Nutridrench once or twice day for a few weeks to help build her iron back up. It will really take 6 to 8 weeks for her to well on the road to recovery but you should see an improvement in a week to 10 days. Be sure to check the inner eyelids of the other goats, they can be quite anemic without showing bottle jaw. This has become the second best way to gauge how well a deworming program is working, next to doing routine microscopic fecal exams. I always deworm any new goat coming onto the farm the day they arrive and 2 weeks later. I also deworm on the day they kid or the day after. Any event that causes stress, such as a move to a new herd or kidding causes dormant parasites to become active. Stress also weakens the immune system, so these parasites really get a good hold. She has been shedding lots of parasite eggs, infecting your goats for the entire time she has been in your herd. | ||
| (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From: 207.119.220.38 Rating: N/A |
Thank You So Much for responding. We give her and the rest of the goats, worm medicine. We got her not to long ago, and haven't given her worm med. yet. Appearantly who we got her from hadn't been treating her. About how long will it take for the swelling to go down, and does this mean the treatment was effective?? How long should we wait before we use her milk. We were told about 2 weeks, is that correct?? Again thank you very much!!!! | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 28 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.205.236 Rating: N/A |
This is called bottle jaw, a sign of a very severe worm infestation. It is a sign the blood is so thin it is leaking out of the blood vessels and pooling in the lowest points (when grazing their head is at ground level and there is lots of blood flow to the head). She is severely anemic and if she is not dewormed effectively very soon she will likely die. This can happen very quickly with no other signs. To confirm this look at her lower inner eyelids, they should be bright rosy pink like ours or even more so. If they are pale or white this truly confirms the diagnosis. I recommend using Ivomec injectable for Cattle, give at least 1 cc per 25 pounds, but give it orally. Be absolutely sure to give enough, it is very safe even for very ill goats, give 2-3 extra ccs to be sure. Most people really underestimate their goats weight. Give for 3 days then repeat in 2 weeks. You should deworm all of the goats at this time, in this same way. Where one is this severely infested they all are carrying a significant wormload. If left untreated they serve to reinfect the sickest one. | ||
| (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From: 207.119.220.38 Rating: N/A |
I have a milk goat, that suddenly, her nose swelled up, and she is all swelled under her chin, looks like a pouch hanging down. Still eating and still active. But can't seem to figure out what the cause is. |