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     Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1022 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.141  Rating: N/A |
It is vaccninating with the toxoid that wipes out the antibodies giving the antitoxin may actually help. Glad he is making a recovery. I have started giving all of my newborns antitoxin after finding out that the CD vaccine may only be about 40 to 50 percent effective in goats....I have lost fewer to entero this year for sure after starting to do this. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Susan Darrow New member Username: sgdarrow Post Number: 12 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 66.82.9.55 Rating: N/A |
It has been a long two days. Turned out the little guy must have had enterotoxemia. He went down hill very fast and became semi-comotose. I kept him hydrated with the ringers and got him back on his feet with dextrose and thiamin. Then I begain treating him for the entero. He has responded beautifully and tonight he was back in the pen with his mom and brother and nursing well. I am still giving him B12, B complex and thiamin in a dextrose solution several times a day to restore his stength. He ate really well tonight and showed no signs of bloating. I have been giving him probiotics to repolulate his gut after I wiped out everything. The doe was boostered three to four weeks before kidding. Guess he just had a really hard start at life. My question is now that I have dosed him with the C&D antitoxin did this wipe out all the immunities he received from the colostrum. Do I need to give him periodic antitoxin injections until he is old enough for his toxoid vaccinations? and should I also be giving him doses of poly serum? This is a horrible, nasty disease! | ||
| Susan Darrow New member Username: sgdarrow Post Number: 11 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 69.19.14.39 Rating: N/A |
Thanks Maggie, Fortunately, I have the ringers on hand for just such an emergency. I have him up at the house and am treating as you have suggested. I will probably keep him with me tonight and see how things progress. Thank you so much! | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1014 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.141 Rating: N/A |
I would give SQ fluids. You have to get Ringer's Lactate IV fluids from a vet and you can inject it SQ under the loose skin over the shoulders. For miniature goats I give 5-10 CC on each side, for standard goats you can up that to 15 to 20 cc under each side. This helps with dehydration and helps get the bowels functioning better.But if you don't have IV fluids just keep doing what you are doing. Give another enema in a couple of hours. If you have Goat Nutridrench you can give 2 to 4 ccs of that. Hopefully once the gut starts moving again and the food hits the system he will start to perk up. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Susan Darrow New member Username: sgdarrow Post Number: 10 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 69.19.14.25 Rating: N/A |
Maggie, I am having another problem with the smallest twin. I noticed today he wasn't interested in eating and seemed much weaker. I gave him an emema and he evacuated a lot of hard poop. Not the first black stuff (he got rid of that on day one) but milk poop. I milked Mom and bottle fed him about three ounces over the last 3 hours. Still very weak..he will stand for a while but won't walk. Should I be doing anything else for him? Thanks | ||
| Susan Darrow New member Username: sgdarrow Post Number: 9 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 66.82.9.86 Rating: N/A |
This is a doe I have been watching throughout her pregnancy. She has access to Sweetlix meatmaker minerals and I know she eats them. I even tested her a few times for ketosis. I try to do that during the last few weeks of pregnancy. They are in an area about 10 X 8 so maybe I will move them to a larger area for the day. Yes...they did get up within the first hour so I guess they were just low birth weight. As usual, your comments about the cervix make sense. They were in position but not pressing on the cervix. She was fully dilated and they were feet and nose first. The reason I finally went in to get them is she had a bubble showing for about two hours but no progress and no contractions. Thanks so much for your help. Maggie. | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 1011 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.141 Rating: N/A |
If they could stand up and nurse within an hour or so of kidding they are NOT premature. Kids even 3 or 4 days premie can't stand. I know I harp on minerals alot but mineral deficiency, especially selenium and copper play a major role in fetal development and normal delivery. The doe may have had a touch of toxemia (low calcium) too, explaining why she didn't have good contractions. Does won't have contractions unless something enters the cervix, so if the kids were malpositioned the does won't push. Does low in copper and/or selenium have poor contractions, kids can be small and weak. If you have a small area where they can get out and walk around some without getting too far from mom the exercise will help strengthen the muscles and develop coordination. I turn my kids and does loose in the barn (18 x 24) for the day or out into a small corral (about the same size) if the kids are a bit "weanie" at first. Kids and does in small kidding pens get bored and lay around, if mom is up walking around the kids will tend to be up and around a bit too. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Susan Darrow New member Username: sgdarrow Post Number: 8 Registered: 01-2006 Posted From: 69.19.14.16 Rating: N/A |
I had a doe deliver twin bucks last Wednesday. She is my smallest Boer doe (first time kidding). She did not have contractions and I had to go in and pull them. After researching and conversing with folks I have concluded that it "may" have been a diet issue and "maybe not". Still researching that. My concern today is the twins are really small, like 3 and 4 pounds. They seem to be eating OK but they mostly spend the day sleeping or laying around. They are not nearly as active as other kids we have had. They are also not very vocal. They don't look like preemies...they are fully developed. But I am thinking they may have been a week or so early. I don't have an exact date on breeding...only a two week time frame. Is there anything I should be doing for them other than just giving them extra time alone with their mom. Normally, I leave the kids and Mom penned together for three days. These little guys look like they need at least a week or more. They are walking OK, though still toddeling a little. Ansolutely no climbing or bouncing. They got plenty of colostrum. These kids do not look and act like 3 day old kids. Is there anything I should be watching for or giving them? Thanks! |