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     Tammy Hunt New member Username: billandtam Post Number: 9 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 64.53.32.155 Rating: N/A |
Thanks Maggie. We got him on his stomach and he started belching right away, so the bloat seems to not be a worry at the moment. Also, they only had vanilla yogurt, no plain, but I got the kind with sugar instead of a substitute and it did have active cultures. He ate it readily so I hope that was ok. We upped his vitamin B and he's on his second dose of penicillin, so we'll see what happens. Started my whole herd on loose minerals today and they are extremely happy. This website is a life saver in many more ways than one. We'll be joining GoatWorld tomorrow. | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 999 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.141  Rating: N/A |
Do not allow him to lay out on side side, this traps the gas in his rumen causing bloat. I would love it if my vet was only 50 miles away...But you can order Fortified B Complex injectable from Jeffer's or Valley vet and keep it on hand. You can give a couple of tablespoons of plain yogurt as a probiotic substitute. Most goats with listeriosis don't eat, are only paralyzed on one side and many have a high fever. But it wouldn't hurt to start the penicillin. Be sure he is getting enough thiamin. If you are having to use regular B Complex injectable you need to give 1 cc per 3 pounds. He needs to get 5 mg/pound every few hours. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Tammy Hunt New member Username: billandtam Post Number: 8 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 64.53.32.150 Rating: N/A |
Maggie, I started the Vitamin B injections yesterday at about 2:00. It was unbelievable, but I had to drive 50 miles to a vet that had some in stock! Also, none of the local vets of feed stores have probiotic in stock. They can have it by Monday. Is there any substitue I could try until then? He is lying down on his side, very alert though. No blindness and is drinking a calf restart product and drinking well. I see no evidence of diarreah. He is now looking bloated slightly. Could this be listeriosis? Should I start penicillin or steroids? Thanks as always for your help! | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 995 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.141 Rating: |
Please start treating for polio right away, the walking drunkenly is a symptom of polio, a thiamin deficiency. If using Fortified B Complex give 1 cc per 20 pounds every 2 to 4 hours for the first day and then 2 to 3 times a day for another 5 to 7 days. Give a probiotic to replenish the digestive microbes that normally produce thiamin. Any feed or mineral labeled for sheep and goats is not adequate for goats. It will not have enough copper. You are in a selenium deficient area and likely need to give supplemental selenium and vitamin E injections by giving BoSe once or twice a year. The FDA highly regulates the amount of selenium in animal feed and mineral products to the point where most do not have enough for selenium deficient areas. A block is not utilized well by goats as their tongues are too small and too smooth to be able to lick enough to get what they need. A loose mineral is better. Several companies make a good mineral for goats, Hoegger carries Golden Blend, Purina is also good, and a beef cattle mineral sometimes makes a good substitute. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Tammy Hunt New member Username: billandtam Post Number: 7 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 207.144.133.178 Rating: N/A |
Maggie, thanks as always for your quick help! We live in middle Georgia. I'm not sure what the source of selenium should be. I have a goat/sheep mineral block that they lick constantly. Does that usually contain selenium? I will start the B shots right away. He is standing ok, but walking a bit like he is drunk. | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 991 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.141 Rating: N/A |
Check his lower inner eyelids, they should be bright rosy or salmon pink. If they are pale pink or white he is anemic from worms. This will often make a goat weak. He may also be selenium deficient. Where do you live? Give a rather large dose of B may help too, just like you were treating for polio or listeria. If that helps then continue giving the B vitamins for 3 to 4 days 2 to 3 times a day. Give a probiotic to restore the digestive microbes too. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Maggie Leman Moderator Username: maggieleman Post Number: 990 Registered: 07-2005 Posted From: 71.111.216.141 Rating: N/A |
Check his lowere inner eyelids, they should be bright rosy or salmon pink. If they are pale pink or white he is anemic from worms. This will often make a goat weak. He may also be selenium deficient. Where do you live? Give a rather large dose of B may help too, just like you were treating for polio or listeria. If that helps then continue giving the B vitamins for 3 to 4 days 2 to 3 times a day. Give a probiotic to restore the digestive microbes too. Maggie Leman Goat 911 Capri Medic | ||
| Tammy Hunt New member Username: billandtam Post Number: 6 Registered: 06-2006 Posted From: 207.144.133.178 Rating: N/A |
Thanks so much for being there everyone! A few weeks back our herd had an outbreak of listeriosis where we lost one of our precious babies and saved another one. I've been carefully monitoring the entire herd and have seen no further evidence in anyone else. HOWEVER, last night on of my young bucks (5 months) did not follow the herd into the barn until I went in the pasture and pushed him along. Now this morning he cannot stand firmly on his two front legs. He follows the herd for a few steps and then they buckle. I've still got penicillen and vitamin B and steroids available. Any ideas? He is not foaming brown rumen and does not look disoriented. He just keeps falling. Thanks so much in advance! |
