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     Maggie Leman Posted From: 71.111.226.26 Rating: N/A |
I would think the diarrhea is a combination fo not eating much and getting rid of a load of dead worms. Try giving magic solution for some energy and if he will eat a bit of oats its better than nothing. Perhaps a bit of banamine (1 cc per 100 pounds by SQ injection once or twice a day)? His guts probably hurt too and banamine is good for gut pain. A goat in pain won't eat much especially if it is a tummy ache. | ||
| Violet Knapp Posted From: 64.136.26.235 Rating: N/A |
Wanted to update on the progress of the Buck with worms. He seems more alert than before, but still will not eat. Won't even eat the good green orchard grass or alfalfa. He picks at the berry brush, but only if I offer it as I cut it, and There is not enough there to do that, I was cutting it at my place and taking it to him, but that is not working. He has a bit of diarrea this morning, He will eat some whole oats, but is that good for him at this stage? Is there anything else I can try as far as food for him? Thanks, Violet | ||
| Maggie Leman Posted From: 71.111.226.26 Rating: N/A |
I pretty much agree with the vet for now. He is very fragile and could become even more so as the worms die and turn lose of the intestinal wall. Any stress causes a lack of oxygen to muscles and nerve cells. He NEEDS to start eating before his digestive system shuts down too. If he liked your hay give him more, maybe some alfalfa if you can get some. The deworming should be effective if the goat weighs less than 100 pounds. The dose for the Valbazen is for a 100 pound goat the dose for the Ivomec is for a 50 to 100 pound goat (the very old recommendation was to give twice the cattle dose which would be 1 cc per 50 pounds). The recommendation though for the ivomec is to give it orally to goats to try to get more to the digestive system before the body eliminates it. It doesn't work very well given by injection or as a pouron because of a goat's much higher metabolism rate. You can't bring up his cell count until he feels better and even then it is going to take weeks. Tell your friend to dose her goats ORALLY with the Ivomec at 1 cc per 25 pounds (this is the current recommendation of the University of Florida for goats in the south and south east US). Deworming is most effective if it is repeated in 2 weeks to get any worms that were in a larval stage. A 2 year old boer should weigh alot more than 100 pounds (closer to 200) so you friend has been underdosing. The vet may be trying to do a controlled partial deworming so as to not cause more intestinal bleeding, be sure to repeat the deworming in 10 days to 2 weeks and then do it once more two weeks after that. Then 2-3 weeks after the last treatment do a fecal check. | ||
| Violet Knapp Posted From: 64.136.26.235 Rating: N/A |
The vet came and drew blood, and did a fecal. Seems he is dying of worm overload. He is very anemic, the vet said his red cell count is only 1/3 what it should be. He gave him 2cc ivomec under the skin, and 10cc valbezen orally. He wants me to update him in the morning. The owner dewormed with 4cc ivomec SQ. I feel like I should give him something more to try and bring his cell count up. The vet seems to think he is pretty fragile right now, and that I should do no more handling, but to try tempting him to eat with different browse. | ||
| Violet Knapp Posted From: 64.136.26.235 Rating: N/A |
Hi Maggie, I watched the buck urinate this morning. He didn't go alot, but didn't seem to be straining or uncomfortable. He ate very little of the hay I took him. But did start nibbling on the fresh hay I gave. His temp. was 102 this morning. Stool looks good. His skin seemed a bit tight. He seems weak, as when I straddled him to get the temp, he just layed down and didn't fight, he was also shaking, but that seemed to start after I got in the pen with him, so could have just been nerves. I gave another B complex. I think I will go and try to get him to take some "magic" as we wore more of the nutridrench than he swollowed. I might see if I can get some lactated ringers from the vet, to get him rehydrated. If you have any other ideas please let me know. Thanks again | ||
| Maggie Leman Posted From: 64.102.64.113 Rating: N/A |
The dry sheath area makes me a bit concerned, most bucks urinate often enough to always be a bit damp. Try to find out if he is urinating, look for wet spots that are obviously urine. Is he stretching alot? This can be a sign the bladder is getting overfull...His rumen isn't moving much because he is not eating much. Make sure he has good fresh hay (my bucks prefer hay over fresh greens too), don't push the grain on him. Roughage will stimulate the rumen. You might give B Complex if you have it this often stimulates appetite and/or probios. No need for the MOM. The dose for cydectin is 1 cc per 15 given orally. | ||
| Violet Knapp Posted From: 64.136.26.235 Rating: N/A |
Hi Maggie, I checked the sheath area, it is dry and clean. I gave nutridrench, and 4cc fortified B complex. I took his temp. again in the afternoon, using a regular thermometer instead of the digtal, and came up with 103.6. So either the temp. came back up or the earlier reading was wrong. He is pretty weak, and doesn't fight me much, but seems some better. My vet had me give him probios, and wants me to call him in the morning.....lol I took him a small amount of my hay, which is an orchard grass mix, he went for it over the fresh green stuff I had given earlier. His manure looked good, nice pellets, but the eyelids look paler than I think they should. Not much color. She worms with ivomec (per my request) but I'm not sure how much or when she wormed him last. I was wondering about deworming him with cydectin. I have that, as I have been using ivomec for over 2 yrs, and figured I needed to change for awhile, as I seem to be seeing more in my own herd lately. I can't remember the dosages though. Oh and also, I put my ear to this guys side over the rumen, and did not hear much moving. I think it should be should be working more. I have some MOM, should I give him some of that. I am a bit nervous, after losing my own little guy, last month..  Thanks for all your help. | ||
| Maggie Leman Posted From: 71.111.226.26 Rating: N/A |
Be sure to insert the thermometer at least 1.5 to 2 inches. His temp is low if 100.8 is accurate. Drench with magic solution (1 part molasses, 1 part veg oil, 2 parts karo syrup, mix with a bit of warm water to thin give 20 to 60 cc) or Nutridrench (10 cc or so). Check his lower inner eyelids, they should be bright pink. If they are pale or white he is anemic likely from worms. If his feed is being kept outside in an unairconditioned place it could be spoiled and causing him to have an upset digestive system. Feel around his sheath area to see if it feels damp. If it is unusually dry or if you fell sandy crystals clinging to the fur he may be developing or have a blockage. Keep us informed. | ||
| Violet Knapp Posted From: 64.136.26.235 Rating: N/A |
I'm feeding a friends Boers while she is gone on vacation, her 2 yr old buck has gone off feed. His grain and hay was still in the feeder the first time I went to feed. It has been 2 days, and still nothing. He will eat a few whole oats, but no hay or his regular feed. I took his temp. this morning and it is 100.8, which is low, I beleive. No scours, or bloat. I gave 4cc fortified B complex. I think he has drank some water. I am not sure what to do next. He has soda and minerals available. I had to leave to take care of my own goats, so haven't seen him urinate, but plan on going back over and watching. Any ideas as to what I should do for him? I have a call into the vet, but sometimes it is a day or 2 before he gets back to me. And he doesn't know goats too well. |