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Maggie Leman
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Username: maggieleman

Post Number: 727
Registered: 07-2005
Posted From: 71.111.216.141


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Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 11:59 am:   

I have had the best results treating joint ill by using oxytetracycline (LA 200 or Biomycin 200) at 1 cc per 30 pounds by SQ injection once a day for 10 days. The reason oxytet is the drug of choice is because it settles in the bones and joint right where it needs to be. Given by injection you don't have to worry about it reacting to a milk diet (that is only when given orally). It only adversely affected the COLOR of the teeth and bones when given for very long periods of time or at very high doses. Everytime I treated one I suspected had joint ill the recovery was amazing, a complete turn around in 2 days or so. Can't hurt to try.
Maggie Leman
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Amy Maxwell
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 01-2006
Posted From: 70.57.15.71


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Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 09:59 am:   

Just something to check into - we have a two week old buckling that was born with real stiff and real straight front legs. Walked slow and stiff legged. He has Joint Ill that started in Uterin and we are treating with two different types of antibiotics plus 1 TBSP of plain/vanilla yogurt to help his good flora stay active as antibiotics will destroy it. We are also giving him 1/4 a tablet of pepsid ac each day to also help because of the strong dosage of antibiotics used. It's a very slow process but his legs at least look normal and can bend etc. He's still walking slow and sore but we're getting there. Anyway, something you might look into as are area is high in Selenium as well so it wasn't the white muscle disease. Maggie can definitely help more with the Joint Ill. I just couldn't get my vet to use the Oxytet antibiotic that Maggie suggested but each vet is different. Good Luck!
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Lynne L Bacon-Applegate, RN
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Post Number: 5
Registered: 04-2006
Posted From: 67.142.130.41

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Posted on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 11:02 pm:   

Thanks, Maggie, for you input re: Selenium. We've had 31 kids since January, all from first time moms. 17 are twins or triplets. Thankfully, all have been relatively small until this big guy last evening. I have had one other twin set where one was "floppy" for the 1st 12 hours but responded to tubing, thiamin and B complex. When I inquired at that time re: the possibility of Selenium deficiency, the vet said this area is very high in Selenium, including the area where my hay is grown so I have been hesitant to start with additional selenium when there are symptoms that would otherwise point in that direction as a "good guess."
The good news at this posting is, he gets up and walks on his own though not as vigorously as his sister. Colostrum intake has been good, I've tubed them and bottled as well as put them on mom but the colostrum is thick and they tire quickly.
His knees are flexing more though his shoulders look "dislocated" when he bears weight. He seems in no discomfort so will probably continue to support him with good nutrition.
Again, thanks!
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Maggie Leman
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Posted on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 03:24 pm:   

This could be selenium deficiency, which causes white muscle disease. This results in weak legs with contracted tendons and muscles. You can get BoSe (a vitamin E and selenium injectabel supplement) and give about 1/2 cc SQ one time. It may take a week or so for the BoSe to help.

It is very seldom that the position in the uterus has anything to do with contracted tendons and the such. Twins are a very normal birth even for a first timer (goats should ALWAYS have at least twins).
Maggie Leman
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Lynne L Bacon-Applegate, RN
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Posted From: 67.142.130.38

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Posted on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 12:52 pm:   

The large kid that I pulled last night has straight front legs. They will not bend at the "knee" more than 45 degrees. They are not deformed, swollen or painful to touch. At first I thought it was a result of the pulling but now I'm wondering if it was due to uterine position in this first time mom with twins. He's 18 hours old and just barely able to get up and stand "straigt-legged" though he is vigorous and eating well. Any ideas?

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